Synchronous Generator Power factor

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The discussion focuses on calculating the power factor (PF) of a Permanent Magnet Synchronous Generator (PMSG) used in a direct drive wind turbine application. The user seeks clarification on how to determine the PF since the generator is not directly connected to the load, and a converter-inverter setup is employed. Mike suggests using trapezoidal back electromotive force (BEMF) for better current stability and conversion efficiency. However, the user emphasizes that the PF is influenced by the load type, which is complicated by the presence of the converter-inverter. The conversation highlights the complexity of PF calculations in systems with distorted current and indirect load connections.
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Hello everyone,

I would like to ask a little help from you guys. I am designing a Permanent Magnet Synchronous Generator (PMSG) for a Wind turbine application which is of direct drive (DD) type. Being a DD type PMSG the frequency of the output is very low and hence I had to employ converter Inverter pair to improve the frequency. Now, how do I calculate the power factor (PF) of the PMSG? As the PMSG is not directly connected to the load, I believe that the PF does not depend on the load nature. Can someone help me by providing any equations or any research papers and any other material that can help me finding out the PF of the PMSG.

Thank you very much.
 
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Hello,

Mike here. I used to design BLDC motor drives. Generally, we'd fall with one of two windings, trapezoidal BEMF and sinusoidal BEMF. I were making a generator, I'd certainly prefer the prior, because the current can fairly be steady through each phase pair, and you'll get good conversion because the BEMF is likewise flat.

In fact, I'd simply use a high speed rectifiers in a three phase bridge directly off the motor phases and boost convert it to your link voltage using a single IGBT/FET. Easy cheesy and no complex commutation to work out. :)

- Mike
 
Mike_In_Plano said:
Hello,

Mike here. I used to design BLDC motor drives. Generally, we'd fall with one of two windings, trapezoidal BEMF and sinusoidal BEMF. I were making a generator, I'd certainly prefer the prior, because the current can fairly be steady through each phase pair, and you'll get good conversion because the BEMF is likewise flat.

In fact, I'd simply use a high speed rectifiers in a three phase bridge directly off the motor phases and boost convert it to your link voltage using a single IGBT/FET. Easy cheesy and no complex commutation to work out. :)

- Mike

Thank you for the quick reply Mike. But I don't really think you got my question or may be I am unable to understand your answer. I was actually asking how to find out the Generator's power factor. Generally, the power factor of the generator is decided by the type of the load connected to it. But in my case I have a set of converter inverter connected in between the generator and the load and hence the type of the load does not affect the power factor in the generator. So I am trying to find out the way to know the power factor in the generator. Thanks once again for your time.
 
For Three-Phase Bridge and resitive load
Generator RMS volts line-to-line=0.740 X Average dc voltage output
Generator RMS line current=0.816 X Average dc output current

Above from Reference Data for Radio Engineers 5th Edition
Above was for transformers, but also apply to generators

Current is distorted so power factor doesn't apply.
The KVA of the transformer/gererator is 1.05 X the KW of the load.
The preceding neglects the voltage drop of the diodes.
 
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