AC synchronous motor power factor

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The discussion centers on the power factor of AC synchronous motors, particularly those with DC slip rings and excitation currents. Participants explore the relationship between synchronous operation, power factor, and the effects of excitation voltage, as well as implications for modern power systems.

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  • One participant questions whether AC synchronous motors have a power factor of 1.0 in synchronous mode, suggesting that sufficient rotor DC current counterbalances the rotating AC magnetic field, making the load appear resistive.
  • Another participant states that the power factor can be adjusted by changing the exciter voltage, allowing for a range of power factors, and describes a capability curve for synchronous motors.
  • A participant speculates that modern generators may be overexcited due to capacitive filters in power supplies, which could affect the shape of the sine wave and help balance lagging current.
  • Another participant agrees that overexcitation is necessary to compensate for the typical lagging power factor on the grid.
  • One participant reiterates the idea that the inductance and capacitance of transmission lines are more significant than the load components in large-scale power grids.

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Participants express differing views on the power factor characteristics of synchronous motors and the implications of excitation levels, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the effects of excitation on power factor and the influence of modern power supply designs, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific conditions under which these statements hold true.

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Is it true that AC synchronous motors (the ones with the DC slip rings and excitation current running into rotor poles) have a power factor of 1.0 when they run in synchronous mode?
Would that be because with sufficient rotor DC current he rotating AC magnetic field is precisely counterbalanced so there is almost no induction and the incoming stator winding AC "sees" an almost resistive load instead of an inductive load like in a transformer or an induction motor?
can I say that in a sense the synchronous motor is like a magnetic amplifier (saturable reactor)thanks
 
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The power factor is adjustable by changing the exciter voltage. So you can have almost any power factor you want.

The picture shows the capability curve for a synchronous generator. It's the same for a synchronous motor. The point where VARs are zero and power factor is one is neither overexited or underexcited. It doesn't have a name but you can call it "just right" or maybe "excited to perfection". :biggrin:
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so I guess due to all the capacitive filters in power supplies and smps , the generators of today are rather overexcited then underexcited? to make the sine wave with a steeper climb in order to balance out the lagging current right?
 
You need to overexcite enough to compensate for the typical lagging PF on the grid (total load) as a whole.
 
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girts said:
so I guess due to all the capacitive filters in power supplies and smps , the generators of today are rather overexcited then underexcited? to make the sine wave with a steeper climb in order to balance out the lagging current right?

For the bulk power grid (think continental scale), the inductance and capacitance of the transmission lines are more significant than the L or C components of the loads.
 
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