System of equations and solving for an unknown

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations using augmented matrices and row echelon form. Participants are exploring the implications of different values of the variable k on the existence and uniqueness of solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate an augmented matrix into row echelon form and questions the validity of certain values of k that affect the solution set. Other participants suggest verifying the operations and exploring the implications of k on the system's solutions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, discussing the conditions under which the system has no solutions, infinite solutions, or a unique solution. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of k as a constant during matrix operations and the implications of specific values of k.

Contextual Notes

There are constraints related to the values of k that lead to undefined expressions in the matrix, which are being examined in the context of the problem. The original poster expresses confusion over differing results from their calculations and those from a calculator.

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Homework Statement
I need help with this problem. I have tried everything and get different answers all the time. Given the three equations under, I'm supposed to find out for which value of k do we have


a) No soultion b) A unique solution c) Infinitely many solutions
Relevant Equations
My teacher has told me the following is true if the matrix is in row echelon form :

1. If there are one or more columns with no pivot-number, there are infinitely many solutions
2. If every column contains a pivot number, its a unique solution.
3. If every element in the row is zero, except for the argument column, there is no solution.
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The first thing I do is making the argumented matrix:

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Then I try to rearrange to make the row echelon form. But maybe that's what confusses me the most. I have tried different ways of doing it, for example changing the order of the equations. I always end up with ##k+number## expression in the second column in the third row that I try to make zero. I have tried to different ways to make the row echelon form now:

1.
Rearrange R1 and R3:
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Then taking -2R1+R2 and -R1+R3

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The last thing I did was multiplying R3 with ##\frac{1}{k-10}## and afterwards took ##\frac{1}{21}##R2+R3:

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From rule number 3 there must be no solution when k=-5 because then row 3 will be 0 - 0 - 0 - (8/105). And if k=3, the last row will be 0 - 0 - 0 - 0. From rule number one, there will be infinite many solutions.

2. If I use this calculator: Calculator, I get that the row echelon form is:

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This is a very different matrix then what I calculated. But if I assume that this is the right answer and given the rules my teacher has taught me, there will be no solution when k=-5 because then the last row will be 0 - 0 - 0 - (2/3). And if k=3, the last row will be 0 - 0 - 0 - 0. From rule number one, there will be infinite many solutions.So with both row echelon forms of the matrix, I find the numbers -5 and 3. But I don't manage to find out for which k we have a unique solution. What confuses me even more are the fractions I get containing k in both examples. k=10 is not valid in example 1 and k=-1/2 is not valid in example 2. Why are these values different in both examples? A friend of me told me that she got 1/2 as the unique solution, but I don't see how. Thank you if you have taken the time reading everything. I really need some help with this one, because I have been stuck on this problem for three days now.
 
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If you performed the matrix operations correctly, the two resulting echelon form matrices will represent the same system of equations. I believe your explanation regarding ##k=-5## and ##k=3## is correct.

Regarding ##k=-.5## and ##k=10##, you could try plugging them into the equations to see if there is indeed a unique solution for each :smile:
 
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docnet said:
If you performed the matrix operations correctly, the two resulting echelon form matrices will represent the same system of equations. I believe your explanation regarding ##k=-5## and ##k=3## is correct.

Regarding ##k=-.5## and ##k=10##, you could try plugging them into the equations to see if there is indeed a unique solution for each :smile:
So ##k=-0.5## and ##k=10## can still be a valid solution for k even though they make the denominator zero? And if ##k=-5## and ##k=3## gives no solution and infinite many solutions, does that mean that every other value will give a unique solution? Thank you so much for your reply by the way 🥰
 
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So ##k=-0.5## and ##k=10## can still be a valid solution for k even though they make the denominator zero? And if ##k=-5## and ##k=3## gives no solution and infinite many solutions, does that mean that every other value will give a unique solution? Thank you so much for your reply by the way 🥰

Yes, and you're welcome :smile:
 
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Kolika28 said:
So with both row echelon forms of the matrix, I find the numbers -5 and 3. But I don't manage to find out for which k we have a unique solution. What confuses me even more are the fractions I get containing k in both examples. k=10 is not valid in example 1 and k=-1/2 is not valid in example 2. Why are these values different in both examples?
k - 10 doesn't really enter into the decision.
If, instead of dividing by k - 10 as you did, you multiply row 2 by k - 10 and add it to 21 times row 3, you get this augmented matrix:
$$\begin{bmatrix}1&10&-6&|&1 \\ 0&-20&k+12&|&3 \\ 0 & 0 & k^2 + 2k - 15 &|&3k - 9 \end{bmatrix}$$

Pretty clearly, if k = 3 or k = -5, the first three entries in the bottom row are all 0. If k = 3, the entire row consists of 0 values, so there are an infinite number of solutions. If k = -5, the fourth entry in the bottom row is nonzero, so the system is inconsistent (no solutions). If k is any value other than 3 or -5, the system is consistent and there will be a unique solution of the system for each value of k.
 
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Mark44 said:
If, instead of dividing by k - 10 as you did, you multiply row 2 by k - 10 and add it to 21 times row 3, you get this augmented matrix:

This is a valid point. ##k## is treated as a constant while performing row operations. we can multiply any row of a matrix by a constant to give an equivalent matrix. For example, we multiply 3rd row of op's reduced echelon matrix

$$\begin{bmatrix}1&10&-6&|&1 \\ 0&-20&k+12&|&3 \\ 0 & 0 & \frac{(-k^2 + 2k - 15)}{21k-210} &|& \frac{k - 3}{7k-70} \end{bmatrix}$$

by ##-(21k-210)##, which is a constant, and turn it into

$$\begin{bmatrix}1&10&-6&|&1 \\ 0&-20&k+12&|&3 \\ 0 & 0 & k^2 + 2k - 15 &|& 9-3k \end{bmatrix}$$
 
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Mark44 said:
k - 10 doesn't really enter into the decision.
If, instead of dividing by k - 10 as you did, you multiply row 2 by k - 10 and add it to 21 times row 3, you get this augmented matrix:
$$\begin{bmatrix}1&10&-6&|&1 \\ 0&-20&k+12&|&3 \\ 0 & 0 & k^2 + 2k - 15 &|&3k - 9 \end{bmatrix}$$

Pretty clearly, if k = 3 or k = -5, the first three entries in the bottom row are all 0. If k = 3, the entire row consists of 0 values, so there are an infinite number of solutions. If k = -5, the fourth entry in the bottom row is nonzero, so the system is inconsistent (no solutions). If k is any value other than 3 or -5, the system is consistent and there will be a unique solution of the system for each value of k.
Thank you so much! I never thought about multiplying row 2 by k - 10. That gives a lot of sense and make the matrix look a bit more "tidier". Appreciate your help! ♥
 
docnet said:
This is a valid point. ##k## is treated as a constant while performing row operations. we can multiply any row of a matrix by a constant to give an equivalent matrix. For example, we multiply 3rd row of op's reduced echelon matrix

$$\begin{bmatrix}1&10&-6&|&1 \\ 0&-20&k+12&|&3 \\ 0 & 0 & \frac{(-k^2 + 2k - 15)}{21k-210} &|& \frac{k - 3}{7k-70} \end{bmatrix}$$

by ##-(21k-210)##, which is a constant, and turn it into

$$\begin{bmatrix}1&10&-6&|&1 \\ 0&-20&k+12&|&3 \\ 0 & 0 & k^2 + 2k - 15 &|& 9-3k \end{bmatrix}$$
Thank you so much, that was a good explanation! 🥰
 

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