Tail-Mounted Engines: Advantages and Disadvantages

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The discussion revolves around the advantages and disadvantages of tail-mounted versus wing-mounted engines in aircraft design. Participants explore various aspects including aerodynamics, maintenance, structural implications, and performance characteristics, addressing both theoretical and practical considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that tail-mounted engines can enhance airflow around the wing, potentially improving aerodynamic performance and reducing take-off distance.
  • Others argue that tail-mounted engines may lead to less torque from remaining engines in case of failure, requiring smaller rudders.
  • Concerns are raised about the maintenance challenges and costs associated with tail-mounted engines compared to wing-mounted engines.
  • Some participants highlight that wing-mounted engines can reduce bending moments at wing-fuselage joints during flight, while tail-mounted engines may concentrate weight further aft, affecting stability.
  • There is a discussion about how wing-mounted engines can influence the mode shapes and natural frequencies of the wings, with some suggesting this could lead to flutter issues at high angles of attack.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the implications of engine placement on dynamic loading and flutter characteristics, with differing views on the advantages of each configuration.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the advantages and disadvantages of tail-mounted versus wing-mounted engines. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the overall benefits of either design.

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Limitations include assumptions about aerodynamic efficiency, structural integrity, and maintenance considerations that may vary based on specific aircraft designs and operational contexts.

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I was just struck the other day by the question of why some planes are designed with the engines under the wings, and some are designed with the engines mounted on the tail. What are the relative advantages and disadvantages of such designs?
 
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Engines receive a nice flow or air under the wings, so they give their full thrust.

But at the rear, engines re-accelerates the air that the body made slower. Behind the plane, air speed is more uniform, which means less wasted power.

Much drag is produced at the wings and along the body, so pushing the wings transmits less force through the plane than pushing the aft.

If an engine explodes, consequences tend to be worse at the tail than under the wing.

Put together, tail-mounted engines are less fashionable these days. They could thrive again for the improved efficiency, especially at a lifting body or a wing-only design.
 
Advantages of tail-mounted engines:

- They allow for a neat airflow around the wing, which enhances its aerodynamic properties (better performance, shorter take-off field)
- In case of engine failure, the torque the remaining engine generates is less than if it was wing-mounted, hence a smaller rudder is required.
- Reduced Foreign Object Damage (FOD) while on the ground.Disadvantages of tail-mounted engines:

- They are harder and more expensive to service. Maintenance is an important factor.
- From a structural point of view, wing-mounted engines reduce the bending moment at the wing-fuselage joints when in-flight. On the ground it's the opposite.
- The engine weight is concentrated well aft of the aircraft's CG (unstable inertia, caution placing the payload etc)
 
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Enthalpy said:
Behind the plane, air speed is more uniform, which means less wasted power.

I don't see the connection. You mean less power is wasted on a tail-mounted engine than on a wing-mounted engine?

Much drag is produced at the wings and along the body, so pushing the wings transmits less force through the plane than pushing the aft.

I don't understand this, would you explain it better please?
 
The pros:
1) Cleaner airflow over the main wing
2) Uninterrupted wing geometry
3) Possible weight reduction due to easier mounting
4) A longer fuselage (good or bad thing depending on design goals) =weight increase
5) Higher landing gear clearance
6) Possible improvement in flow over the tail (no jet engine wake and down wash to deal with)

Cons:
1) Moves CG Farther back - requires long fuselage = weight rise
2) harder maintenance access
3) Restricted to T-Tail design = can very easily stall at high AOA in main wing wake
4) Less uniform velocity profile at jet inlet
5) Positive induced moment on aircraft due to higher mounting of engines
6) Increased Wing Loading
7) Fuel injection into turbine requires more piping and pumps = more weight
 
What about wing mounted engines reduce the maximum deflection of the wings during dynamic loading, since they are placed on a node of the mode shapes. I think that's an important one for design decisions.
 
I kinda worded that badly. Wing mounted engines help change the mode shaped and natural frequency of the wings to a more desireable value. That'd be more accurate.
 
Vadar2012 said:
I kinda worded that badly. Wing mounted engines help change the mode shaped and natural frequency of the wings to a more desireable value. That'd be more accurate.

You mean that a wing mounted engine will increase the speed at which flutter may occur?

While this can be possible, I don't think it's much of an advantage since the lowest speed at which flutter occurs is anyway higher than any design speed.
 
What about flutter at high angles of attack? Its pretty important when doing model testing, especially if they break...
:/
 
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Alpha Floor said:
While this can be possible, I don't think it's much of an advantage since the lowest speed at which flutter occurs is anyway higher than any design speed.

That is only true once you get the design right :smile:

For example in the early days of the 747, there were some issues getting three different engine desiigns to hang off the same wing without any flutter problems.
 

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