Effects of engine torque on engine to chassis mountings

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of engine torque on the stress and potential failure of engine-to-chassis mountings in a go-kart-like vehicle design. Participants explore the implications of using steel rods for mounting a motorcycle engine, specifically focusing on calculations related to torque and stress in the context of vehicle design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand how an estimated engine torque of ~45Nm affects stress in steel rods used for mounting the engine to the chassis.
  • Another participant questions the choice of steel rods for mounting, suggesting that plates may provide a more solid connection.
  • Participants inquire about the design specifics, including sketches or drawings of the chassis and engine, to better understand the mounting setup.
  • Discussion includes the need to consider both the weight of the engine and the torque transferred from the countershaft to the mounting points.
  • One participant identifies the engine as a Yamaha R6 and acknowledges the potential challenges of handling the power output in the go-kart design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using steel rods versus plates for engine mounting, indicating a lack of consensus on the best approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations and stress analysis needed for the design.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided definitive designs or calculations, and there are unresolved questions about the specific forces acting on the mounting system. The discussion relies on assumptions about the engine's torque and weight without detailed specifications or calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in vehicle design, particularly those working with engine mountings and torque calculations in go-kart or similar vehicle projects.

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I'm currently working on a design for a go-kart-like vehicle which involves some calculations. The engine used is a motorcycle engine and it is mounted to the main chassis via steel rods. I would like to know how the engine torque (i have an estimated value of ~45Nm) will cause stress and failure in the steel rods and if there are any formulas that be could used for this calculation.

This is my first time working with an engine and designing a vehicle so any help will be much appreciated.
 
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Edward97 said:
I'm currently working on a design for a go-kart-like vehicle which involves some calculations. The engine used is a motorcycle engine and it is mounted to the main chassis via steel rods. I would like to know how the engine torque (i have an estimated value of ~45Nm) will cause stress and failure in the steel rods and if there are any formulas that be could used for this calculation.

This is my first time working with an engine and designing a vehicle so any help will be much appreciated.
Welcome to the PF.

Why are you using steel rods? That doesn't seem like a very solid way to mount an engine. Seems like at the very least you should be using plates instead of rods.

Can you Upload a sketch of the chassis and the engine?
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.

Why are you using steel rods? That doesn't seem like a very solid way to mount an engine. Seems like at the very least you should be using plates instead of rods.

Can you Upload a sketch of the chassis and the engine?
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This is just one of the numerous designs I've found online. Do you mind explaining how the engine torque creates stress in the member connecting the engine to the rest of the chassis using this example?

(I don't have a definite design for now)
 
Edward97 said:
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This is just one of the numerous designs I've found online. Do you mind explaining how the engine torque creates stress in the member connecting the engine to the rest of the chassis using this example?

(I don't have a definite design for now)
Do you have a drawing or pictures of the engine showing the output countersprocket and the engine mounting points? Which bike is this engine from? There should be some good drawings of the engine in its Service Manual if you have access to that.

The main forces you need to do a good job of supporting are the weight of the engine, and the torque transferred from the countershaft to the engine mounting points.
 
berkeman said:
Do you have a drawing or pictures of the engine showing the output countersprocket and the engine mounting points? Which bike is this engine from? There should be some good drawings of the engine in its Service Manual if you have access to that.

The main forces you need to do a good job of supporting are the weight of the engine, and the torque transferred from the countershaft to the engine mounting points.
It's a Yamaha R6
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is this what you meant?
 
Edward97 said:
is this what you meant?
That's a start. Nice bracket fabrication, BTW. What about the other side? How are you going to attach those mounting brackets to your kart frame?

The R6 is about 110hp, right? That kart is going to be a handful... :smile:
 

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