Taking calculus-based physics vs algebra/trig-based physics

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The discussion revolves around whether a student should take algebra/trig-based physics before enrolling in calculus-based physics, particularly given their background in mathematics up to Ordinary Differential Equations. The scope includes considerations of course prerequisites, content overlap, and academic advising.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that taking calculus-based physics directly is feasible since the necessary calculus concepts are already understood.
  • Another participant emphasizes that calculus-based physics may be easier in terms of deriving equations, although some problems could be more challenging.
  • A different viewpoint highlights the importance of consulting with the physics department to clarify course expectations and prerequisites.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential assumption that students in calculus-based courses have prior physics knowledge, which may not be formally required.
  • Some participants note that the physics concepts in both course types are fundamentally similar, but the teaching approach may differ.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on whether taking algebra/trig-based physics is necessary before calculus-based physics. While some advocate for skipping to the calculus course, others recommend consulting academic advisors for personalized guidance.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention that the relevance of algebra/trig-based physics may depend on the student's major and the specific requirements of their academic program, which could affect whether the non-calculus course counts towards their degree.

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This discussion may be useful for students considering their options for introductory physics courses, particularly those with a strong mathematics background and concerns about course prerequisites.

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Should I take the algebra/trig based physics first before taking the calculus-based physics?
I never took physics before. However, I finished the community college's math sequence (up to Ordinary Differential Equations).
On the class description it states that it is recommended to take the trig based physics but it is not required.

I was thinking of taking the calculus-based physics with all the math fresh in my mind. However, I am concerned I might miss something if I don't take the algebra/trig physics.

thanks
 
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You won’t miss a thing. You have the calculus you need for calc based physics, so go for it. Actually, when deriving equations, calc based physics is easier. Now problems may be a bit more difficult, but in an intro physics calc based course, most problems just require algebra and those that require calculus are generally limited to simple derivatives and integrals. Definitely take the calc based course
and don’t worry about ever having to take an algebra based course.
 
Best thing is to talk to someone in the physics department there, who is familiar with their courses. Usually for calculus based intro physics, you don't actually need a lot of calculus, just the basic concepts of integrals and derivatives and the ability to calculate them for polynomials and maybe sine/cosine/exponential functions. The physics concepts are pretty much the same as in an algebra/trig based intro physics course. However, to rest your mind, it's best to ask someone who actually knows the courses.
 
protractor said:
Should I take the algebra/trig based physics first before taking the calculus-based physics?
I never took physics before. However, I finished the community college's math sequence (up to Ordinary Differential Equations).
On the class description it states that it is recommended to take the trig based physics but it is not required.

I was thinking of taking the calculus-based physics with all the math fresh in my mind. However, I am concerned I might miss something if I don't take the algebra/trig physics.

thanks

What is your major, or what will be your major?

As jtbell has stated, this is really a question you should be asking your academic advisor. Please note that in many schools, if you are majoring in engineering, chemistry, physics, or any physical sciences, a non-calculus-based general physics course may not count towards your degree. There's nothing stopping you from taking it if you don't care about it not counting (and having someone paying for it). But you should at least be aware of this.

This is why you need to talk to someone at your school, preferably your advisor.

Zz.
 
jtbell said:
The physics concepts are pretty much the same as in an algebra/trig based intro physics course.
[now that I've slept and had my morning coffee]

However, instructors in the calculus-based intro course might tend to assume that students have already studied physics in high school, and present the material accordingly, even though high-school physics may not be listed as an official prerequisite. If you talk to someone who is familiar with the physics program at your college (ideally, the person who actually teaches the course), you can probably find out whether this is in fact the case.

I think it's unlikely to be a problem, but it's good to make sure by talking to people there.
 

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