Taylor Series Expansion About a Local Minimum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Taylor series expansion of a potential energy function V(x) about a local minimum, as presented in Griffiths' Quantum Mechanics textbook. Participants are exploring the implications of shifting the zero point of potential energy and its effect on the force derived from the potential energy function.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether subtracting V(x_0) changes the potential energy function itself, noting that potential energy is a relative quantity dependent on the reference frame.
  • Another participant argues that Griffiths' approach is consistent with defining the zero point of potential energy at the minimum, emphasizing that the choice of constant does not affect the force since it vanishes when taking the gradient.
  • A participant seeks clarification on which expression is considered informal, prompting further discussion about the mathematical reasoning behind Griffiths' statement.
  • It is noted that Griffiths' statement is informal in the mathematical sense, as it lacks detailed reasoning, focusing instead on the physical implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of Griffiths' informal approach versus the more rigorous definitions used by other authors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity and completeness of the mathematical reasoning presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the mathematical exposition of Griffiths' statement, particularly regarding the absence of detailed reasoning that some participants feel is necessary for clarity.

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Hello everyone,

I am currently reading chapter two, section 3 of Griffiths Quantum Mechanics textbook. Here is an excerpt that is giving me some difficulty:

"Formally, if we expand V(x) in a Taylor series about the minimum:

V(x) = V(x_0) + V'(x_0) (x-x_0) + \frac{1}{2} V''(x_0)(x-x_0)^2

subtract V(x_0) (you can add a constant to V(x) with impunity, since that doesn't change the force),..."

Okay, I understand that is does not change the force field for which V(x) is a potential energy, but doesn't it change the potential energy function itself? If I recall correctly, I have seen other authors simply define the zero point of the potential energy function to be at the minimum, which seems to be a better argument to me, as the potential energy is a relative quantity, depending upon the reference frame, unlike, say, distance.

Could someone please help me understand this excerpt. Thank you.
 
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Bashyboy said:
I have seen other authors simply define the zero point of the potential energy function to be at the minimum, which seems to be a better argument to me, as the potential energy is a relative quantity, depending upon the reference frame, unlike, say, distance.

That's exactly what Griffiths is doing - only the expression is informal. In this case he is focused on the force, so the choice of constant is irrelevant - it will vanish when the gradient is taken.
 
Which expression is informal, the one Griffiths used, or the one other authors use?
 
Bashyboy said:
"(you can add a constant to V(x) with impunity, since that doesn't change the force),..."

Griffith's statement ... he refers to the physics, and leaves out the mathematical reasoning. "Informal" in the mathematical sense that the details are not presented ...
 

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