Teacher Distributes Sex Tape of Herself

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A teacher in Elk Grove, California, mistakenly included a self-made sex tape in a DVD compilation for her fifth-grade class, leading to significant embarrassment and discussions about the appropriateness of such exposure for children. The incident raised questions about societal norms regarding sexuality and the impact of accidental exposure to adult content on young students. While some participants in the discussion expressed sympathy for the teacher, others debated the implications of children encountering sexual material, arguing about the readiness of children for such experiences and the cultural taboos surrounding sexuality. The conversation also touched on the broader issues of censorship, education, and the potential influence of pornography on young people's perceptions of sexuality, particularly concerning gender dynamics. Ultimately, the thread highlighted the complexities of discussing sexual education and exposure in a society that grapples with conflicting views on childhood innocence and adult behavior.
  • #51
Pupil said:
I agree with junglebeast, but I think you're getting at another point here, too. Are you saying that pornography is heavily biased toward treating women as sexual objects, which could influence the young females to view themselves that way?

If that is your point, I would say that's not caused by pornography (or the other things we censor), but a lack of understanding in society of the rights and abilities of women. We should educate, not censor. One only has to turn to BET to see the mistreatment of "b****es and hoes," as it's often put.

But perhaps I'm misunderstanding. Could you clarify?

You just reiterated my point. If a young girl's first exposure to her own sexuallity is through an adult a male filter, and that she's objectified as a "b**** and a hoe," how the hell does she get to NASA engineer from there?
 
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  • #52
lisab said:
You just reiterated my point. If a young girl's first exposure to her own sexuallity is through an adult a male filter, and that she's objectified as a "b**** and a hoe," how the hell does she get to NASA engineer from there?

Well I don't think any of us can really say for sure...but like you, I wouldn't be subjecting my daughter to the test (if I had one).
 
  • #53
lisab said:
You just reiterated my point. If a young girl's first exposure to her own sexuallity is through an adult a male filter, and that she's objectified as a "b**** and a hoe," how the hell does she get to NASA engineer from there?

Her parents, society, and the people around her educate her that she shouldn't believe everything she hears on television, and that she is as worthy an individual to be a NASA engineer as any other person. I think pulling the wool over a person's eyes (censoring) isn't the solution - education is.
 
  • #54
junglebeast said:
Well I don't think any of us can really say for sure...but like you, I wouldn't be subjecting my daughter to the test (if I had one).

:smile:

I guess that's the real litmus test...if you're really sure that porn won't affect kids negatively, will you expose your own children to it?

Somehow the idea of "family porn night," cuddling up together in front of the TV with popcorn and soda pop, doesn't strike me as an idea that will catch on any time soon...haha...
 
  • #55
lisab said:
:smile:

I guess that's the real litmus test...if you're really sure that porn won't affect kids negatively, will you expose your own children to it?

Somehow the idea of "family porn night," cuddling up together in front of the TV with popcorn and soda pop, doesn't strike me as an idea that will catch on any time soon...haha...

If that test were performed in our society the parents would probably be thrown in jail or the children taken by a social worker (or both).

One of the biggest troubles when taking about censorship is how dogmatically people believe we should censor people (mostly teenagers and children) from certain things without any basis for believing so. Many of them won't even think about it. As Aristotle once said, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Perhaps one day in the far off future we will see a kid ask about a his mother about a late night sex film that aired uncensored and she will reply that it's actors making love to one another in what is known as 'sex'. The mother would say it matter-of-factly. The child's spine won't curl and he wouldn't go into shock. He'll shrug, uninterested by the nontaboo act that 'grown ups' do, and go watch the best show in the world: Spongebob Squarepants. :biggrin:
 
  • #56
Pupil said:
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I was 5 years old when I explained my older brother what menstruating means, and I already had had quite many talks with my mother, together with biology books. She never pushed me into that, I just found questions myself, and I was lucky enough to have a mother answering them appropriately. That has nothing to do with X-rating videos.
 
  • #57
humanino said:
I was 5 years old when I explained my older brother what menstruating means, and I already had had quite many talks with my mother, together with biology books. She never pushed me into that, I just found questions myself, and I was lucky enough to have a mother answering them appropriately. That has nothing to do with X-rating videos.

Sounds like you had a nice mum. Did you have a follow up question or statement on that or something? I'm not sure I see your point.
 
  • #58
lisab said:
You just reiterated my point. If a young girl's first exposure to her own sexuallity is through an adult a male filter, and that she's objectified as a "b**** and a hoe," how the hell does she get to NASA engineer from there?

Do you think that perhaps young women might be turned off by such things rather than thinking that is the way they ought to be? Perhaps seeing the way some men think of them may make them more cautious about sex?

I've found in personal experience that more 'sheltered' females tend to be more submissive and have a greater feeling that they ought to do what is expected of them by males while less 'sheltered' females tend to be more dominating and/or independent. One female I know who watches and enjoys pornography, is rather well adjusted, and hopes to run for congress someday. One female I know that was raised a strict christian and who thinks that pornography is evil also happens to be a sex addict who has prostituted herself for drug money.

This is anecdotal of course but it goes to show that sometimes what we have come to believe as likely responses to certain sorts of environmental stimuli are not necessarily accurate.
 
  • #59
Pupil said:
Did you have a follow up statement ?
Yes actually I do. The point above that I was stressing is a twofold split between the knowledge of biology and reproduction as you were mentioning earlier, of which I indeed have never been depraved, and the particular event this discussion started with, which I believe is much closer to X-rated videos. Now I do not have much to say about the latter, since I am fairly ignorant in that field and I also do not have much interest in it. I hope it is clear by now that this thread is not conveying that children should be kept in ignorance of biology. They should be protected from adult fantasies which they are too young to understand. If you doubt that they are too young to understand, please at least leave them time to grow up and enjoy their own discoveries. They have plenty of time to let their own imagination grow.
 
  • #60
lisab said:
Somehow the idea of "family porn night," cuddling up together in front of the TV with popcorn and soda pop, doesn't strike me as an idea that will catch on any time soon...haha...

False dichotomy much? The two options aren't "complete censorship" vs. "family porn night".

I am opposed to the censorship of almost every subject, but that doesn't mean I have "family hate literature night". Throwing up such an argument clearly shows that you are arguing from emotion, rather than reason.

For example: If my son has any questions about the subject, at any age, I will answer them as completely and honestly as I can. If that involves letting him see a video, so be it, I'll show him a video and explain it to him. If he ever walks in on my wife and I, and asks what we're doing, I'll explain that to him as well.

Just because someone is opposed to censorship, doesn't mean that they think "family porn night" should be held, or that children should be encouraged to watch porn.
 
  • #61
lisab said:
Upon reflection, I have to admit my strong reaction is really directed more at exposing young girls to porn.

I believe you have completely shifted the discussion here. While it started with accidental release of private x-files, nobody told about exposing children to proffessionally shot porn. We were (or at least I was) mainly talking whether kids seeing their parents (or, in the society that is not closed between four walls as we are, other tribe members) during sex are in danger - or not. And the only danger I can see here is when kid (regardless of sex) sees it and knows (because of the cultural prejudice already implanted) that it sees people doing bad things. At this moment world starts to be inconsistent, and that's a sure way of confusing the kid. Kind of double bind if you know the term.

Funny thing - intuition tells me that kid seeing now and then their parents during sex will treat it as a natural thing, and it will be much earlier able to understand - when seeing porn - that that is not a real thing. Kids understand the difference between the real life and fairy tales in kindergarten, teenagers should be able to do so as well :wink:
 
  • #62
Most kids at an early age understand that their parents have sex. I don't remember knowing everything that was involved in a sexual relationship at that age, but I understood how it works physically. If a child, or an adult for that matter, is exposed to pornography without an understanding of the relationship aspect of intercourse then I think it is very possible it will negatively impact their ability to form meaningful relationships.

Sex shouldn't be treated as an activity that is shameful or degrading. I'm sure there will be, at the minimum, a few parents that receive that sex tape that will be incensed at this teacher. Even if the child did see it I think that's an over-reaction. 5th graders already know what sex is. They're at an age where they are starting to be curious about it. This might be as good a time as any to have a talk with them about the importance of healthy relationships. A rational approach is called for in this situation, not an emotional one that will just confuse the child's views on sex even further by making them feel ashamed of their bodies. (or disrespectful towards their teacher)

Oh, you know that teacher is going to get razzed! Kids don't wield their ruthlessness like adults do. I hope she is prepared to wield her authority as an adult in equal proportion. They'll jump all over her if she let's herself be ashamed. I really do hope she gets to keep her job because this seems to be an obvious mistake and not a subversive act. I'll be sincerely upset if this causes her serious misfortune. I got to laugh at the thought of her being teased and embarrassed though. That's priceless.
 

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