Teaching science sequentially from scratch

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around how to approach learning science from scratch, particularly for someone with little prior knowledge. Participants explore various starting points and methods for gaining an intuitive understanding of scientific concepts across different fields, including physics, biology, and chemistry.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with biology, as it may be the most relatable subject for understanding human existence.
  • Another participant recommends a descriptive physics textbook, "Conceptual Physics" by Paul Hewitt, for those with limited math skills.
  • There is a mention of a sequential learning approach: biology first, followed by chemistry, and then physics, based on the increasing complexity of mathematical requirements.
  • A participant expresses a desire to understand all scientific fields equally and emphasizes the importance of intuitive learning over rote memorization.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliance on textbooks and the challenge of balancing foundational knowledge with critical thinking in science.
  • Historical context is highlighted as a valuable aspect of learning, with an example given of the Rutherford experiment to illustrate atomic theory development.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of studying what interests the learner, but there is no consensus on a single best approach or starting point for learning science. Different preferences for subjects and methods are expressed, indicating multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention varying levels of math knowledge and its impact on the ability to study different scientific disciplines, which may affect the suggested learning paths. There is also an acknowledgment of the limitations of relying on textbooks for understanding complex scientific concepts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals new to science, educators looking for teaching strategies, or anyone interested in developing a structured approach to learning scientific concepts from the ground up.

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I unfortunately know very little about science. The good news is that I have recently become very interested in it.

Ok so, if we could pretend like I am an alien from another universe unlike ours, how would you suggest to begin studying? If you had to start over how would you learn it? Or maybe the best approach to this would be how would you teach your kids?

Would you start with
1)the properties of the universe? gravity? light?
2)elements?
3)our bodies?

I really want to gain an intuitive understanding of how it all works, so any tips on HOW you study would also be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks
 
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This is a little hard to gauge. Most people have very specific interests, not just 'science'. If you were an alien, I would recommend you study biology first, because if we were talking to you, you'd be most interested in the most unique thing we humans have to offer: ourselves.

But as for you, I never took a course in biology. I never found biology anything more than vaguely intriguing. It's all up to you, mate. Which of these do you find most interesting: physics, chemistry, biology, geology, implementation (I.E. engineering), ecology, zoology..?

Typically, curricula are created in high school to correspond to the recipient's most likely math level. Thus, biology starts first, because you rarely need to quantify anything. Then chemistry, which needs a little algebra 1 and a bit of algebra 2. Then physics, which is very heavily math oriented.
 
If you don't know much math (little or no algebra, and no trigonometry), I suggest getting a textbook that is intended for a "descriptive physics" course, such as this one:

Conceptual Physics, by Paul Hewitt

Many U.S. colleges and universities use this book for courses for students who are not science majors. So do many high schools, for their non-AP courses.

If you don't want to pay that much money for a new copy of the latest edition, you can probably find a cheap used copy of an earlier edition. The physics is pretty much the same regardless of the edition. Most of the changes between editions are basically to force students taking courses to buy new copies from the publisher instead of used copies from previous users.
 
Thanks so much that is great help Angry Citizen and jtbell.

I think that is great advice to study what interests you, but the problem is that I am equally interested in all of it. It is not practical but it is the truth. I would like just like to be able to go for a walk, look around, and understand everything that is happening around me, that's all.

So the consensus is to study maths simultaneously, i think that is wise.

Biology / algebra 1 and a bit of algebra 2 (so will be ready for chem)
Chemistry / more algebra and trig (so will be ready for physics)
Physics /

I mean, I wonder how people like Einstein studied, I think he was mostly self taught. (If anyone has a rec on the best Einstein bio that would help).

I would like to avoid rote memorization as much as possible and shoot for deep intuitive learning. I very much like the Sidis method mentioned on their website.

Ok here is what confuses/bothers me - science is about not relying on dogma. But, I mean at some point, you have to just take the textbook's word for it, no? I can't go around splitting atoms, but I guess I should do as much home experimentation as I can.

Do you guys just read textbooks? What else do you do to help you learn?
 
The particulate nature of matter probably.
 
Do you guys just read textbooks? What else do you do to help you learn?

Well, I try to get an historical context whenever possible. Like with the non-quantum model of the atom, I looked at the Rutherford experiment to see how they determined it. Quite ingenious, actually.
 

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