Technical question about Nikolic' Quantum Myths

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The discussion revolves around technical questions regarding the definitions and formulations presented in the paper "Quantum Myths" by Nikolic, specifically focusing on the definitions of norms and scalar products in quantum mechanics as outlined in the paper.

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  • Harald questions the definition of the norm given in formula 26, suggesting that a square root is missing based on his understanding from functional analysis.
  • Some participants agree that a square root is indeed missing, proposing that the author may have intended to write "norm squared."
  • Harald raises another concern regarding formula 28, questioning whether it should start with the square root of p_1 or if the preceding equation should be adjusted to reflect a square root.
  • One participant asserts that the correct interpretation of the expression involves the norm squared, clarifying that denotes the norm squared.
  • Another participant echoes this correction, expressing frustration over the confusion caused by the missing square in the norm definition.

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Participants generally agree that there is confusion regarding the definitions presented in the paper, particularly concerning the missing square root in the norm definition. However, there is no consensus on how to resolve the discrepancies between the formulas.

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The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in the definitions used in the paper, particularly regarding the treatment of norms and scalar products in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants express uncertainty about the correct interpretation of specific formulas.

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I am referring to the http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0609163" discussed at length in other threads with a purely technical question to help me understand more of the paper.

On page 12, formula 26 defines the norm of a vector as

[tex]\langle\psi|\psi\rangle = \psi_1^*\psi_1 + \psi_2^*\psi_2 .[/tex]

My question is: isn't there a square root missing to get a norm. When I look up my lecture notes on functional analysis, a norm on a Hilbert space is defined by

[tex]||f|| = \sqrt{(f,f)}[/tex]

where [itex](\cdot,\cdot)[/itex] is the scalar product. If the above formula 26 would nevertheless be correct, I would end up with a scalar product with a square in, which is not linear and therefore not a scalar product.

What am I confusing here?

Thanks,
Harald.
 
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Square root is indeed missing. Or he meant to write norm squared.
 
lbrits said:
Or he meant to write norm squared.
Yes he did. :wink:

Even the the mass squared is sometimes called mass by physicists, especially relativists. :smile:
 
technical question about Nikolic' Quantum Myths (2nd round)

Thanks for the answers so far. Reading on in http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0609163" , I next stumble over formula 28. There I get

[tex]p_1=|\langle \phi_1|\psi\rangle|^2 = |\sqrt{1^*\psi_1 + 0\psi_2}|^2 = |\sqrt{\psi_1}|^2 = <br /> |\psi_1| = \sqrt{\psi_1^*\psi_1} .[/tex]

This, however, contradicts the equation in the paragraph before formula 24, where it reads [itex]p_1 = \psi_1^*\psi_1[/itex].

My question is, whether formula 28 should rather start with [itex]\sqrt{p_1}[/itex] or whether actually it should read [itex]p_1 = \sqrt{\psi_1^*\psi1}[/itex] in the paragraph before 24?

Thanks,
Harald
 
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birulami said:
[tex] |\langle \phi_1|\psi\rangle|^2 = |\sqrt{1^*\psi_1 + 0\psi_2}|^2 [/tex]
This is wrong. The correct statement is
[tex] |\langle \phi_1|\psi\rangle|^2 = |1^*\psi_1 + 0\psi_2|^2 [/tex]
To repeat, <a|a> denotes the norm SQUARED.
 
Demystifier said:
This is wrong. The correct statement is
[tex] |\langle \phi_1|\psi\rangle|^2 = |1^*\psi_1 + 0\psi_2|^2 [/tex]
To repeat, <a|a> denotes the norm SQUARED.

Arrrgh, this missing square of the norm got me all messed up. I should have read my own initial post:confused:.

Thanks for getting me back on the right track.
Harald.
 

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