Temperature Problem: Who Takes Hotter Coffee?

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The problem involves two friends, A and B, who each have cups of coffee at equal initial temperatures. The scenario explores the effects of adding cool cream to the coffee at different times and seeks to determine which friend ends up with hotter coffee. The context relates to thermodynamics and Newton's law of cooling.

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's law of cooling, questioning how it relates to the timing of adding cream. Some suggest that friend B, who waits before adding cream, may have hotter coffee due to less cooling over time. Others raise concerns about the quantity of cream and its temperature relative to the surroundings.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided insights regarding the implications of timing and temperature differences, while others are questioning the assumptions about the cream's temperature and quantity.

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There are considerations regarding the initial temperature of the cream and its effect on the cooling process. The discussion also touches on hypothetical scenarios involving different substances, such as ice cream, which introduces additional complexities.

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Homework Statement



Two friends A and B receive cups of coffee those are at equal temperature.A adds some cool cream immediately and takes his coffee 10minutes later.B waits for 10 minutes,and adds the same amount of cool cream and begins to take.Decide who takes hotter coffee?

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I cannot understand how should I use Newton's law of cooling here in this example.Please help me to start with.
 
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Assuming that the cool cream is cooler than room temperature, friend B takes the hotter coffee.

Newton's law of cooling states that the rate of change of the temperature of an object is proportional to the difference between its own temperature and the temperature of its surroundings.

The rate of change of temperature when the cream is immediately added has 10 minutes worth of effect on the temperature, combined with the temperature of its surroundings.

The rate of change of temperature has no time have much effect on the temperature of friend B's coffee, so only the surroundings' temperature cooled the coffee.
 
neelakash said:
Newton's law of cooling states that the rate of change of the temperature of an object is proportional to the difference between its own temperature and the temperature of its surroundings.
Right. The greatest difference leads to the greatest heat loss. So which situation gives the coffee the greatest difference in temperature with its surroundings?
 
Does the solution not depend on the quantity of cream, if it is colder than the room temperature ?
Indeed, we could ask the (apparently) reverse problem:

Two friends receive each an ice cream. A adds a bit of hot cofee on his ice cream, ...
 
I would assume that the cream is sitting in the refrigerator, waiting to be used when needed. (I suppose room temp cream would work just as well.)
 
lalbatros said:
Does the solution not depend on the quantity of cream, if it is colder than the room temperature ?
Indeed, we could ask the (apparently) reverse problem:

Two friends receive each an ice cream. A adds a bit of hot cofee on his ice cream, ...

No, the ice cream question runs into phase transition issues. (ie: if you don't completely melt the ice cream, it will still have a temperature less than or equal to the melting point of ice cream.)

Anyway, it appears the answer to the question is the person who waited 10 minutes, then added cream. If you assume they both add the same amount of cold cream to the same amount of coffee.

The coffee that is not cooled earlier gets to radiate heat at a higher rate for the ten minutes, then it loses a fixed amount of energy to equilibriate the cold cream to whatever temperature.
 

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