Tension and Friction with Acceleration

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The problem involves a scenario where a person attempts to descend from a building using a makeshift rope made of bed sheets. The individual weighs 800 N, and the rope can withstand a maximum force of 600 N before breaking. The discussion centers on determining the speed of the person after descending 12 meters while applying friction to prevent the rope from breaking.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the person, including the downward force of gravity and the upward force of friction from the rope. There is debate over the correct interpretation of these forces and how they affect the person's acceleration and final velocity.

Discussion Status

Multiple interpretations of the forces involved are being explored, with participants questioning the assumptions made about the relationship between tension, friction, and acceleration. Some guidance is offered regarding the application of Newton's laws, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the maximum force the rope can withstand and the need to apply friction effectively without breaking the rope. There is uncertainty regarding the calculations and the implications of the forces involved.

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Homework Statement



A building is on fire and the occupant of a room ties together some bed sheets, attaches them to something immovable in the room and throws the bedsheet ‘rope’ out the window. The person weighs 800 N and the bed sheets can only hold a force of 600 N before they break. If the person descends (starting with zero vertical velocity) 12 m (about 4 stories) using this bedsheet rope, applying just the right amount of friction on the rope to provide maximum braking without breaking the rope, how fast is the person going after 12 m of descent? Give you answer in miles per hour so you have a feel for how fast this is. (26.8 m/s = 60 mph)



Homework Equations



I'm sorry, I do not know how to use the LaTex Math Typesetting, but the equations are pretty basic.

Fnet = ma

Fnet = F1 + F2 + F3 + ... + Fn

Vf^2 - Vo^2 = 2ay


The Attempt at a Solution



Okay, so what I did is say that the person must be using a maximum downward force of 600N on the rope so it doesn't break. This makes then friction equal to 200N, since it acts in the opposite direction of the 800N downward of the occupant.
So, (-600N)/(9.8kg*m/s^2) = -7.35 m/s^2. This is person's acceleration downwards.
Plugging this into the final equation yields Vf = √(2*(-7.35 m/s^2)*(-12m)) = - 13.3 m/s or -29.7 mph.

HOWEVER, my classmate says that the rope pulls upward with 600N and since the rope is applying the force of friction, the there're 600N of friction. So that would make the net force -200N. Redoing the calculation gets -17 mph.

So, which is correct? My classmate's makes sense, but it seems off to me...so any input is very, very appreciated! We could also both be wrong haha. Thank you for taking your time!
 
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If the rope exerts some amount of friction, then by Newton's third law it is itself subject to the same amount of force (acting in the opposite direction).
 
So, then the friction must be equal to the tension limit of 600N?
 
It is in the interest of the occupant to use the max friction afforded by the rope.
 

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