Tension in the string and tangential accleration

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The problem involves a particle of mass m being whirled on a string of length R in a vertical plane under Earth's gravitational field. The goal is to find the tension T in the string and the tangential acceleration when the string makes an angle Ө with the horizontal.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive an equation for tension involving centripetal force and weight, but some participants question the definitions of Fc (centripetal force) and W (weight), seeking clarification on their expressions in terms of the given variables.
  • There are requests for guidance on how to express these forces and concerns about the signs used in the equations.
  • Participants suggest starting with known equations relevant to the problem, including the formula for centripetal acceleration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces involved and how to express them mathematically. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of standard equations and the importance of considering vector contributions and signs.

Contextual Notes

Participants are reminded to define the positive direction for forces and gravitational acceleration, which may affect their calculations. There is also an emphasis on using specific variables (m, g, R, v, Ө) in their expressions.

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Homework Statement


A particle of mass m is whirled on the end of a string of length R. The motion is in vertical plane in Earth's gravitational field . The instantaneous speed is v when the string makes angle Ө with the horizontal. Find the tension T in the string and the tangential acceleration at this instant.

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This is my classical mechanics homework problem.
T= Fc+W sin theta .
I have come up with this equation , is this correct . And how to find the tangential acceleration?
 
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How did you come up with it, and what are Fc and W? The final answer should use R, v and Ө only.
 
Can you show me how ?
 
mfb said:
How did you come up with it, and what are Fc and W? The final answer should use R, v and Ө only.
m and g also.
 
Hamza Abbasi said:
Can you show me how ?
Express Fc in terms of m, g, r, v, Ө (you won't need all of them). There's a standard equation you should use (and which should have been listed in the Relevant Equations).
Express W similarly.
Be careful with signs. Define whether up or down is considered positive, and whether the value of g is taken to be positive or negative. (E.g. if up is positive, then you can write gravitational acceleration as g, taking a negative value, or as -g, taking a positive value.)
 
haruspex said:
Be careful with signs. Define whether up or down is considered positive, and whether the value of g is taken to be positive or negative. (E.g. if up is positive, then you can write gravitational acceleration as g, taking a negative value, or as -g, taking a positive value.)
It's not just signs, you should consider both contributions as vectors, not with their absolute values.
haruspex said:
m and g also.
Right, of course.
 
mfb said:
It's not just signs, you should consider both contributions as vectors, not with their absolute values.Right, of course.
I am not getting it :(
 
Then start with the hints haruspex gave.
At least write down the equations you know that could be relevant here, and see if one of those has quantities that are given here.
 
haruspex said:
Express Fc in terms of m, g, r, v, Ө (you won't need all of them). There's a standard equation you should use (and which should have been listed in the Relevant Equations).
Express W similarly.
Be careful with signs. Define whether up or down is considered positive, and whether the value of g is taken to be positive or negative. (E.g. if up is positive, then you can write gravitational acceleration as g, taking a negative value, or as -g, taking a positive value.)
And what is that relevant equation from which I should start my assumption?
 
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Hamza Abbasi said:
And what is that relevant equation from which I should start my assumption?
The formula for centripetal acceleration.
 
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haruspex said:
The formula for centripetal acceleration.
mv^2/r , this one? So I should substitute value of Fc in T= Fc+W sin theta? I am sorry , if my silly questions are annoying you :cry:
 
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Hamza Abbasi said:
mv^2/r , this one? So I should substitute value of Fc in T= Fc+W sin theta?
yes. Substitute for W too (mg).
 

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