Tensor/Vector decomposition/representation & DOF arguement

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The discussion focuses on the representation of velocity ##\vec{U}## in fluid mechanics using a scalar potential ##\Phi##, expressed as ##\vec{U}=\nabla \phi##. It establishes that ##\vec{U}## has 3 degrees of freedom (dof) while ##\phi## has 1 dof, emphasizing that this relationship holds true only under irrotational flow conditions, where ##\nabla \times \vec{U} = 0##. The conversation also delves into tensor decomposition, specifically the Riemann tensor, and the degrees of freedom associated with each component in the decomposition, concluding that the total dof must equal or exceed that of the original tensor.

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In fluid mechanics, it is sometimes useful to present the velocity, ##U## in terms of a scalar potential ##\Phi## as:##\vec{U}=\nabla \phi##
##U## has 3 dof. ##\phi## has 1.If asked why this works, in terms of a dof argument, why is this?e.g . compared to GR common decomposition of the Riemann tensor into##R^{\nu\lambda\kappa\rho} =R*^{\nu\lambda\kappa\rho} + BR\eta*^{\nu\lambda\kappa\rho} + C^{\nu\lambda\kappa\rho},## (1)

With ##C^{\nu\lambda\kappa\rho}## is traceless, ##R=\eta_{\nu\kappa} \eta_{\lambda\rho}R^{\nu\lambda\kappa\rho}##, where #\eta^{ab}# denotes the Minkowski metric and ##B,C## are constants, and where ##R*^{\nu\lambda\kappa\rho}## denotes ##R*^{\nu\lambda\kappa\rho}=\frac{1}{4}\left[{R}^{\nu\kappa}\eta^{\lambda\rho}-R^{\nu\rho}\eta^{\lambda\kappa}+{R}^{\lambda\rho}\eta^{\nu\kappa}-{R}^{\lambda\kappa}\eta^{\nu\rho}\right] ## and## \eta*^{\nu\lambda\kappa\rho}= 2\eta^{\nu\kappa}\eta^{\lambda\rho}-2\eta^{\nu\rho}\eta^{\lambda\kappa} ##

From what I understand the tensors making up the decomposition can be a number of degrees of freedom at most the same as the object they are making up, and altogether they must have at least the total number of dof of the object they are making up. So , e.g. if T=A+B+C, and T has 10 d.o.f, then each of A,B,C can have any number between [1,10] of d.o.f, and altogether they must have at least 10 d.o.f? Is this correct?

So looking at the above, equation (1), the first term has 10 dof, the second 1, and the last 10 dof. Or would you look at the first term as a sum of four terms each of 10 dof, so it could potentially represent a tensor with 40 dof?

Thanks.
 
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binbagsss said:
In fluid mechanics, it is sometimes useful to present the velocity, ##U## in terms of a scalar potential ##\Phi## as:##\vec{U}=\nabla \phi##
##U## has 3 dof. ##\phi## has 1.

This is only possible if the flow is irrotational, ie. \nabla \times \vec U = 0.
 
pasmith said:
This is only possible if the flow is irrotational, ie. \nabla \times \vec U = 0.
apologies yes I should have added that.
 

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