Termoelectric Emission: Measuring T & I_A for Work

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the measurement of temperature (T) and current (I_A) in the context of thermoelectric emission to calculate the work function (φ). Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved in these measurements and the implications of certain variables in the equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents equations relating I_A, T, and φ, questioning the role of T_0 in the final expression for φ.
  • Another participant asserts that T_0 remains present in the equations and seeks clarification on the confusion regarding its disappearance.
  • A different participant points out that the final equation only includes 1/T and not the term involving T_0, suggesting a potential oversight.
  • Further clarification is requested regarding the meaning of Δ(1/T) and the presence of T_0 in the equations, with a suggestion to adjust the numerator for clarity in slope determination.
  • One participant confirms that they are plotting data for several temperatures to find the slope, reiterating their concern about the treatment of T_0 in the equations.
  • Another participant emphasizes that T_0 is indeed one of the measurements used in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of T_0 in the equations, with some asserting its continued relevance while others question its role. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of T_0 in the context of the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the interpretation of variables and the mathematical steps involved in deriving the work function from the measurements. The discussion highlights potential dependencies on definitions and the need for clarity in the equations used.

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[tex]I_A=BT^2e^{-\frac{e\varphi}{k_BT}}[/tex]

We measure [tex]T[/tex] and [tex]I_A[/tex] and from that get work. If [tex]T_0[/tex] is first temperature in which we measured than
we get

[tex]\frac{I_A}{I_{A0}}=\frac{T^2}{T^2_0}e^{-\frac{e\varphi}{k_BT}(\frac{1}{T}-\frac{1}{T_0})}[/tex]

And from that we get

[tex]\varphi=-\frac{k_B}{e(\frac{1}{T}-\frac{1}{T_0})}ln\frac{I_AT^2_0}{I_{A0}T^2}[/tex]

and from that they calculate tangent like

[tex]\varphi=-\frac{k_B}{e}\frac{\Delta ln\frac{I_AT^2_0}{I_{A0}T^2}}{\Delta \frac{1}{T}}}[/tex]

What happened with [tex]T_0[/tex]?
 
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Your question is puzzling. What is it exactly that you didn't understand? [itex]T_0[/itex] is still in all your equations. As far as I can see, nothing happened to it.

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OK! You don't have any more [tex]\frac{1}{T}-\frac{1}{T_0}[/tex]. In last equation you have [tex]\frac{1}{T}[/tex] instead.
 
lol.what does [itex]\Delta\frac{1}{T}[/itex] stand for? And [itex]T_{0}[/itex] occurs once more in the equation. Can you find it?

EDIT:

I think the numerator should have [itex]\Delta \ln(\frac{I}{T^{2}})[/itex] instead of what you wrote, because you are looking for the slope. Put differently, if you plot [itex]\ln(\frac{I}{T^{2}})[/itex] vs. [itex]\frac{1}{T}[/itex] (for several T's and not just two), then you should get a line with a slope proportional to the work function.
 
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Yes I work that for several T and get graph. From that graph I must find slope. But please look at lines that I wrote. My problem is because I use


[tex]\varphi=-\frac{k_B}{e}\frac{\Delta ln\frac{I_AT^2_0}{I_{A0}T^2}}{\Delta \frac{1}{T}}}[/tex]


to get that work. THAT IS IN SCRIPTS. WHAT HAPPENED WITH [tex]-\frac{1}{T_0}[/tex], If that is easier for you?
 
It is one of your measurements!
 
Can you understand that. Thank you!
 

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