Terms canceling out in unitarily evolving state

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The discussion centers around the concept of unitarity in quantum mechanics, specifically in the context of the Hong-Ou-Mandel (HOM) experiment. Participants explore the implications of amplitude cancellation in quantum processes and the normalization of probabilities in unitary transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that in the HOM experiment, amplitudes associated with two histories cancel out, leading to a reduced range of outcomes, and questions how this relates to the concept of unitarity, which is supposed to conserve total probability.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on where a violation of unitarity is expected in the mathematical framework, suggesting that the transformation should inherently preserve normalization.
  • A participant references specific equations from a paper to illustrate their point about normalization not occurring automatically, raising concerns about the implications of amplitude cancellation.
  • One reply asserts that for a two-mode system, the transformation defined by certain equations is clearly unitary, emphasizing the relationship between the transformation and the vacuum state.
  • A participant expresses a realization that their initial confusion stemmed from not considering all modes in the calculation of amplitudes, suggesting that proper normalization requires accounting for unoccupied modes.
  • Another participant asserts that the output state is normalized if the input state is normalized, reiterating the unitarity of the transformation and its implications for the entire Fock space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the normalization of probabilities in unitary transformations. While some agree on the necessity of considering all modes for proper normalization, others question the clarity of the mathematical representation of unitarity in the context of the HOM experiment. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the implications of amplitude cancellation.

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Participants highlight the importance of considering all relevant modes in quantum calculations and the potential for confusion when amplitudes are written only for non-zero terms. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the definitions and implications of unitarity in quantum mechanics.

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The Hong-Ou-Mandel experiment is one of many examples where the amplitudes associated with two histories cancel out, leaving us with a reduced range of possible outcomes. Obviously, the total probability of those outcomes has to be unity.

My question relates to the fact that these processes are said to be unitary (i.e. conserve total probability). But when terms cancel as in HOM, we have to "manually" normalize the rest of the terms to get back to a total probability of 1. How then do we say that the transformation matrix itself is inherently unitary?
 
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In which mathematical formula do you expect any violation of unitarity?
 
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Maybe I don't understand your question, but for a two-mode system it's pretty obvious that (3) and (4) define a unitary transformation in the corresponding Hilbert space. Perhaps the author should have been remarked that the transformation law, defining this unitary transformation reads
$$\hat{a}_i^{\dagger} \rightarrow \hat{U}_{\text{BS}} \hat{a}_i^{\dagger} \hat{U}_{\text{BS}}^{\dagger}, \quad \hat{b}_j^{\dagger} \rightarrow \hat{U}_{\text{BS}} \hat{b}_j^{\dagger} \hat{U}_{\text{BS}}^{\dagger}$$
and, by taking the adjoint of these equations
$$\hat{U}_{\text{BS}} |0 \rangle=|0 \rangle.$$
Of course, this is obvious since if there are no photons present ("vacuum") then also a beam splitter won't produce anyone.
 
Thank you. I think my question was actually a lot more naive and uninformed than it may have appeared to you :smile:, so you gave me credit for better understanding than I had.

What I was thinking was something like this : if we sum the squares of all the terms before and after evolution, we should get the same answer, and we should not have to normalize "by hand" to get a total probability of one. It was looking to me that this was not happening. But now I realize that my confusion arises from the convention of writing out amplitudes only for the modes where the amplitude is non-zero. But in order to get "automatic" normalization we need to write out all the modes of interest including unoccupied ones (and the list of modes of interest should be the same before and after the transformation). -- When you have a moment, please confirm whether this is correct, of do I still need to think & learn more about this?

So thanks again, your answer helped me to get some valuable clarity.

Edit : So I think the root of my confusion is in not realizing this: If you write out amplitudes "by inspection" rather than 'shut up and calculate', then be prepared to have to manually scale back to a total squared amplitude of unity "by inspection".

Edit: Sorry, wait, there's still something wrong. I'll get back.
 
But ##|\psi_{\text{out}} \rangle## is normalized, if ##|\psi_{\text{in}} \rangle## is, because ##\hat{U}_{\text{BS}}## is indeed unitary. Note that the action on the creation operators implies its definition on the entire Fock space, as is immediately clear from using the occupation-number basis.
 

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