That is also equal to 0. Can you explain why?

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The discussion revolves around proving a summation claim involving coefficients of a polynomial expressed in terms of binomial coefficients. Participants are exploring the properties of these coefficients and their implications, with a focus on specific cases and conditions.

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  • One participant requests a proof for the claim involving the summation of coefficients, suggesting the use of derivatives.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for clarity regarding the definitions of variables such as \(a_i\), \(n\), \(m\), and \(z\).
  • Clarifications are provided about the definitions of \(a_i\) as coefficients of \(z\) and the relationships between \(n\), \(m\), and binomial coefficients.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of information regarding the structure of \(a_i\), with suggestions to define them more clearly.
  • A participant proposes that to prove certain coefficients are zero, one should analyze the first few terms of the polynomial expansion.
  • Another participant mentions that proving \(a_2 = 0\) implies \(a_{m^2-2} = 0\) due to symmetry, and questions remain about the coefficient \(a_{\frac{m^2}{2}}\).

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the definitions and implications of the coefficients \(a_i\). There is no consensus on the clarity of the original problem, and multiple viewpoints on how to approach the proof remain evident.

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The discussion highlights the need for precise definitions and assumptions regarding the coefficients and their mathematical properties, which are not fully established in the initial posts.

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Prove of summation claim ??

Hi every one,,

any idea how to prove the following claim

[itex]\sum_{i=0}^{n}a_iz^i=(1-z)^{\binom{m}{2}}(1+z)^{\binom{m+1}{2}}[/itex]




i think we need to use some derivatives, may be the second derivative will help.


please help.
 
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Please tell us what [itex]a_i[/itex] is, what n is, what m is and what z is.

When communicating with others it is crucial to give all the information.
 


Yes sure,,

a_i is the coefficient of z.

m is the integer power of z where it goes ++ to n.

Thanks
 


Sigh...

What IS [itex]a_i[/itex]??

Right now you are asking:

Prove that a+b=c, but I won't tell you what a,b and c are.

Please state the FULL problem.
 


OK,, :)

Let


[itex]n=m^2 and\,\,\, s=\binom{m}{2}, n-s=\binom{m+1}{2}[/itex]

prove that the following claim is true

[itex]\sum_{i=0}^{n}a_iz^i=(1-z)^{\binom{m}{2}}(1+z)^{\binom{m+1}{2}}[/itex]
 


prove that this polynomials has only 3 zero coefficient, and they are

[itex]a_2[/itex], and [itex]a_{m^2-2}[/itex], and

[itex]a_{\frac{m^2}{2}}[/itex] if m=2 mod 4.
 


I think micromass is asking things like the structure.

For example are they real numbers? complex numbers? integers? prime integers?

Mathematicians usually use sets to describe these numbers and it will probably be beneficial for you to do the same because it will help you both in a) reading other mathematical work and b) get you thinking in the right way to do mathematics.
 


chiro said:
I think micromass is asking things like the structure.

No, I'm just wanting to know how the [itex]a_i[/itex] are defined. Am I the only one who sees a problem with the OP?? Hmmm, I'll let others solve the question since I'm confused...
 


76Ahmad said:
OK,, :)

Let


[itex]n=m^2 and\,\,\, s=\binom{m}{2}, n-s=\binom{m+1}{2}[/itex]

prove that the following claim is true

[itex]\sum_{i=0}^{n}a_iz^i=(1-z)^{\binom{m}{2}}(1+z)^{\binom{m+1}{2}}[/itex]

micromass said:
No, I'm just wanting to know how the [itex]a_i[/itex] are defined. Am I the only one who sees a problem with the OP?? Hmmm, I'll let others solve the question since I'm confused...

micromass, no, you aren't the only one who sees a problem.

76Ahmed, no one can help you if until you tell us what the values[/color] of the coefficients ai are.
 
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The a_i are of course the coefficients of the given polynomial in Z[z], and the question is about which of these are zero.

To prove that a_2 is zero, just use the first 3 terms in each factor, and multiply, and you get the coefficient of z2. You need to prove the identity (m 2)(m+1 2) = ((m 2) 2)+((m+1 2) 2) of binomials to get there.

There is also a, not too illuminating, combinatorial way of showing this.

The other zeros follows since the coefficients are (anti-)symmetric.

To prove that no other ai is zero may be the hard part. It may also be that you are not really asking about that.
 
  • #11


micromass + Mark44

I do not know what the is difficulty of a_i that is facing you both !
Knowing that I told you before a_i is the coefficient of z.

if you still have a problem with a_i, just put m = 3 for example.

you will get

1 + 3 z - 8 z^3 - 6 z^4 + 6 z^5 + 8 z^6 - 3 z^8 - z^9
then you see
a_0 = 1
a_1 = 3
a_2 = 0
a_3 = -8 ... a_9 = -1DID YOU GET IT.
 
  • #12


Thanks Norwegian..

I think you are right, can you explain in detail please.

you can see that
[itex]|a_2|=|a_{m^2-2}|[/itex]

so if we prove that a_2 = 0, then a_{m^2-2} is also = 0.

what about
[itex]a_{\frac{m^2}{2}}[/itex]
 

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