The Acceleration and the density of galaxies

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the acceleration of the universe's expansion and the density of galaxies, particularly in the context of the Lambda-CDM model. Participants explore the implications of cosmic expansion on the visibility and density of galaxies over time, referencing both theoretical models and popular literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that in the Lambda-CDM model, the density of galaxies decreases and may vanish in the far future, seeking references for this calculation.
  • Others argue that the decrease in galaxy density is a result of the expansion of the universe, which does not necessarily require accelerated expansion.
  • One participant claims that while the density of galaxies decreases, it never completely vanishes, suggesting that the number of visible galaxies diminishes due to the universe's acceleration.
  • Another participant references a book by Lawrence Krauss, indicating that the number of visible galaxies will fade but not disappear entirely, noting that light from these galaxies continues to reach observers, albeit dimmer.
  • A later reply challenges the notion that galaxies will spread out sufficiently to vanish from visibility, emphasizing that nearby galaxies are not moving apart in a way that would lead to their disappearance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the density of galaxies can vanish entirely and the role of accelerated expansion in this process. There is no consensus on the implications of these ideas, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on interpretations of theoretical models and popular science literature, which may not be universally accepted or clearly defined. The discussion includes assumptions about visibility and the effects of cosmic expansion that are not fully elaborated.

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In the Lambda-CDM model, the density of galaxies goes decreasing and should even vanish in the far future.

I would be grateful if someone could point me to a paper where this is calculated.
 
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It is a simple inference from the number of galaxies in a comoving volume staying constant while the size of the comoving volume increases. This just has to do with expansion itself, accelerated expansion is not required.
 
Also, as the universe expands, the density of galaxies decreases, but it never "vanishes".
 
I mean the number of visible galaxies goes vanishing because of the Acceleration. This is told in the book "A universe from nothing" by L.. Krauss, chapter "Our miserable future". Is there a paper or a reference where this is calculated?
 
mbond said:
I mean the number of visible galaxies goes vanishing because of the Acceleration. This is told in the book "A universe from nothing" by L.. Krauss, chapter "Our miserable future". Is there a paper or a reference where this is calculated?
This looks like a common misconception. Objects once seen never disappear. Apart from getting ever dimmer until eventually too hard to observe, that is. But the light is still there, reaching the observer.
Krauss has been guilty of wording this less-than-ideally in at least one other book - see e.g. this paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310808, example 13 in appendix B.
 
mbond said:
I mean the number of visible galaxies goes vanishing because of the Acceleration. This is told in the book "A universe from nothing" by L.. Krauss, chapter "Our miserable future". Is there a paper or a reference where this is calculated?
In addition to Bandersnatch's comment, nearby galaxies aren't moving apart. It isn't immediately obvious that they would ever necessarily spread out far enough to be part of the fading Bandersnatch mentions.
 

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