The atomic Coulomb potential extends to infinity?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the interpretation of the statement regarding the atomic Coulomb potential and the electronic charge distribution, specifically the claim that both extend to infinity. Participants are exploring the implications of this statement within the context of nuclear physics and quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of "resulting electronic charge distribution extends to infinity," suggesting it may refer to the wave-function of the electron, which is theoretically non-zero everywhere.
  • Another participant agrees that the spatial wave-function is non-zero at all distances from the nucleus, indicating a non-zero probability of detecting the electron at any point.
  • It is noted that while the wave-function is theoretically non-zero everywhere, the practical probability distribution of the electron drops off rapidly beyond a few times the Bohr radius.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the original text's statement, suggesting it implies an unusual interpretation of wave functions and referencing Schrödinger's early interpretations before the probabilistic framework was established.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of the text, with a participant suggesting that the long-range nature of the Coulomb potential does not align with the behavior of bound states, which fall off exponentially as distance increases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the original statement. There are competing views regarding the implications of the wave-function and the nature of the charge distribution in relation to the Coulomb potential.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential confusion arising from the original text's phrasing and its implications for understanding wave functions in quantum mechanics. The discussion reflects varying interpretations and assumptions about the nature of electronic charge distributions and their mathematical representations.

aaronll
Messages
23
Reaction score
4
I'm studying nuclear physics in a text, but at one point that is said: "Both the Coulomb potential that binds the atom and the resulting electronic charge distribution extends to infinity" , I don't understand what is that "resulting electronic charge distribution extends to infinity" what they mean? ( maybe I misunderstand the phrase but i don't know)
thanks
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
aaronll said:
I'm studying nuclear physics in a text, but at one point that is said: "Both the Coulomb potential that binds the atom and the resulting electronic charge distribution extends to infinity" , I don't understand what is that "resulting electronic charge distribution extends to infinity" what they mean? ( maybe I misunderstand the phrase but i don't know)
thanks

I assume by "charge distribution" it means the wave-function for the electron. And, theoretically the spatial wave-function for the electron is non-zero everywhere. I.e. no matter how far the distance from the nucleus, there is still a non-zero probability of detecting the electron there.

In practical terms, of course, the electron probability distribution drops off to nearly zero very quickly - of the order of magnitude of a few times the Bohr radius.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Lord Jestocost, vanhees71 and aaronll
PeroK said:
I assume by "charge distribution" it means the wave-function for the electron. And, theoretically the spatial wave-function for the electron is non-zero everywhere. I.e. no matter how far the distance from the nucleus, there is still a non-zero probability of detecting the electron there.

In practical terms, of course, the electron probability distribution drops off to nearly zero very quickly - of the order of magnitude of a few times the Bohr radius.
Thank you
 
Which text is this? I guess, I'll like to avoid its use ;-)).
 
vanhees71 said:
Which text is this? I guess, I'll like to avoid its use ;-)).
Is the "Introduction to Nuclear Physics" written by Kennet S. Krane, I believe is a good book
 
Yes, I like it too, but are there really such statements as that the long-ranged nature of the Coulomb potential of the nucleus in an atom were "resulting electronic charge distribution extends to infinity"? That doesn't make sense or at least hints at an pretty unusual interpretation of the (energy-eigen) wave functions of the electron(s) in atoms. It sounds something like Schrödinger's very first interpretation of his ##\psi(t,\vec{x})## before Born's probabilistic interpretation. Even then it's strange since as the hydrogen wave functions show, the bound states all fall exponentially for ##r \rightarrow \infty##, and from that the typical atomic length scales are determined by the Born radius of about ##0.5 \mathring{\text{A}}##.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
11K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K