Discussion Overview
The discussion centers on the average value of the spin operator S in the context of spin-orbit coupling in quantum mechanics, specifically relating to the fine structure of hydrogen. Participants explore the implications of the average value of the S operator and its projection onto the total angular momentum J.
Discussion Character
- Technical explanation
- Mathematical reasoning
Main Points Raised
- One participant questions the assumption made in a textbook regarding the average value of the S operator being the projection onto J.
- Another participant proposes calculating the commutator of the fine-structure Hamiltonian with the S operator, asking for the result in vector form.
- A further contribution indicates that the algebra leads to a specific form of the commutator, suggesting a relationship between the components of S and J, and applying the Ehrenfest theorem to derive a time evolution equation for the average value of S.
- The same participant notes that S can be decomposed into components parallel and perpendicular to J, with only the perpendicular component exhibiting time dependence, likening its behavior to that of a spinning top.
- It is mentioned that the time-averaged value of the perpendicular component of S is zero.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the assumptions in the textbook and the implications of the mathematical derivations. The discussion includes both exploratory reasoning and technical calculations without reaching a consensus on the initial assumption about the average value of S.
Contextual Notes
Some assumptions regarding the definitions of the operators and their components may not be explicitly stated, and the relationship between the components of S and J is dependent on the algebraic manipulations performed.