The barrier length in quantum tunneling

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The discussion revolves around the concept of barrier length in quantum tunneling, specifically focusing on the transmission coefficient and its implications for multiple particles approaching a potential barrier. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to quantum mechanics.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Alan proposes integrating the transmission coefficient over a distance from infinity to the potential barrier to estimate how many particles can penetrate the barrier.
  • Some participants point out that the transmission coefficient T is already a probability for transmission, suggesting that integration may not be necessary if all particles have the same energy.
  • There is a discussion about the simplifications involved in the expression for T, with mentions of omitted factors and approximations related to sinh.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the interpretation of T as a probability for a single particle, and the distinction between T and its square.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the transmission coefficient represents a probability, but there is disagreement regarding the necessity of integrating over distance and the implications of different expressions for T.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the energy of the particles and the conditions under which the simplifications for T hold true. The discussion also highlights potential confusion around the mathematical representation of the transmission coefficient.

Alan Ezra
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Hi,

In transmission coefficient T= exp(-2sqrt(2m(U-E)/hbar^2)L), L, as I interpret it, is the distance of the potential barrier. I am wondering if I have N particles all with kinetic energy E, approaching the barrier, can I integrate the transmission coefficient over a distance from infinity to the potential barrier(the charged radius?), and times the number of particles N, to find out how many of them can penetrate the barrier?

Thank you so much for helping me

best regards
alan
 
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Hello Alan, :welcome:

I checked here and found a different expression. Turns out your ##T## is a simplification for sqrt(2m(U-E)/hbar^2)L >> 1 (and you left out a factor 4E(U-E0)/U2 ).

Point is that this is already the probability for transmission, so no need to integrate.
 
BvU said:
Point is that this is already the probability for transmission

Actually ##|T|^2## is the probability for a single particle to make it through the barrier. But as you say, no need to integrate, provided all the particles have the same energy, and therefore the same ##T##.
 
T is already a square. Not to be squared again.
 
BvU said:
Hello Alan, :welcome:

I checked here and found a different expression. Turns out your ##T## is a simplification for sqrt(2m(U-E)/hbar^2)L >> 1 (and you left out a factor 4E(U-E0)/U2 ).

Point is that this is already the probability for transmission, so no need to integrate.

Hi BvU,

Thanks for the help! So should I use the expression
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and multiply it by the number of particles to find out the number of particles tunneled through? And so the expression I gave, the simplified one took a approximation for sinh^2?? Is that right? Thanks.
 
BvU said:
T is already a square.

Right you are. I got confused between t and T=|t|2. :oops:
 

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