The beginning for time for beginners

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of the beginning of time, exploring literature recommendations and theoretical perspectives related to this topic. Participants engage with both the philosophical and scientific implications of time's inception, particularly in the context of astrophysics and cosmology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks literature on the beginning of time, indicating a background in astrophysics.
  • Another participant recommends "The First Three Minutes" by Weinberg for insights into early universe developments.
  • Some participants question the understanding of the beginning of time, suggesting that general relativity (GR) implies time starts with the Big Bang but breaks down at very small scales, leaving uncertainties about the earliest moments.
  • A theory is mentioned that time may not have existed until the emergence of electrons and photons, though there is skepticism about the necessity of electrons for defining time.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the existence of time at the speed of light, as per special relativity (STR).
  • One participant expresses interest in cosmic background radiation studies, suggesting a focus on observational data rather than theoretical literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of time's beginning, with some suggesting that literature exists while others argue that the concept remains largely unresolved. There is no consensus on the necessity of electrons for the existence of time or the implications of GR and STR.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include assumptions about the breakdown of GR at small scales and the implications of special relativity on the nature of time. The conversation reflects a range of interpretations and uncertainties regarding foundational concepts in cosmology.

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Hi,

Basically I would like to learn about the beginning of time and I am wondering what literature I should read surrounding this.

**For the record; I have a Master's degree from a top university in Astrophysics**

Thanks in advance!
 
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Not sure just what you are looking for. If you are interested in the very earliest developments in the universe, I suggest "The First Three Minutes" by Weinberg.
 
Do we know anything about the beginning of time? Shouldn't that title be "The First Three Minutes Except For The First Fraction of a Nanosecond"? GR suggest that time begins with the Big Bang, but GR breaks down at very small scales, i.e., during that first fraction of a Nanosecond. So there actually isn't *any* sensible literature about the beginning.
 
mal4mac said:
Do we know anything about the beginning of time?

no

Shouldn't that title be "The First Three Minutes Except For The First Fraction of a Nanosecond"?

yes
 
There is a theory that time itself did not exist until there were electrons and photons, but I'm not so sure about needing the electrons any more (because pairs of virtual photons can be produced without electrons) nor for that matter, , whether time actually exists for energy at all (because according to STR, time does not exist at the speed of light).

Pairs of photons (or else an electron and a photon) are essential to having photons with energy that is defined, and also to the formulation of the theories of relativity (because it's the part that makes an observer necessary in the first analysis).

Sorry, I don't have a good reference for your questions about time. As an astrophysicist, I would be paying more attention to things like the BICEP polarization studies on the cosmic background radiation. It sure is interesting.
 
danshawen said:
There is a theory that time itself did not exist until there were electrons and photons

Please provide a reference.
 

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