The collapse of one wave function is the creation of another

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of wave functions in quantum mechanics, exploring questions about their uniqueness, the implications of measurement, and the concept of entanglement. Participants examine theoretical aspects, potential interpretations, and the philosophical implications of these concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a particle can have more than one wave function, suggesting that the wave function is a unique description of a state.
  • Another participant agrees that while a particle cannot have multiple wave functions, different representations of the same wave function may exist.
  • There is a discussion about whether two observers can each have their own wave function, with one participant suggesting that this leads to a question about the accuracy of their descriptions of a system.
  • Participants debate the concept of wave function collapse, with one asserting that it refers specifically to measurements and eigenstates, while another raises uncertainty about the implications of particle interactions.
  • Questions are raised about the correctness of a wave function if a particle is entangled but the observer is unaware of this entanglement.
  • There is uncertainty regarding whether an entangled particle remains entangled after interacting with another particle, with suggestions that some interactions may lead to new entanglements while others may destroy existing ones.
  • One participant introduces the Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) as a perspective that resolves certain paradoxes in quantum mechanics, emphasizing its logical consistency rather than its alignment with preconceived notions of reality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of wave functions, measurement, and entanglement, indicating that multiple competing interpretations and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific interpretations of quantum mechanics, and the discussion includes unresolved questions about the implications of measurement and the nature of entanglement.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in quantum mechanics, wave functions, entanglement, and philosophical implications of quantum theory may find this discussion relevant.

thenewmans
Messages
168
Reaction score
1
Poor title. Actually I have a whole bunch of wave function questions. I don’t know the boundaries of this concept. Assuming a correct wave function, can a particle have more than one? Can 2 observers each have their own wave function? The moment a particle encounters another particle, does one wave function collapse and a new one pop up? (I’m not necessarily thinking of a wave function as an actual thing. It just comes out that way.) If you don’t know a particle is entangled can your wave function still be correct? When an entangled particle encounters some other particle, does that make it no longer entangled?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
thenewmans said:
Assuming a correct wave function, can a particle have more than one?
No. The wave function is a unique description of a state, and tells you everything you could possibly find out about the results of measurements you haven't performed yet. However, what you can have are different representations of the same wave function, which superficially look different.
Can 2 observers each have their own wave function?
Sure :-p but I think what you're really asking is whether or not it's possible for the two observers to describe a system accurately by two different wave functions, which is really the same question as the one above, so no. (*Relativity messes up observers' common perception of space and time, so in relativistic QM this answer might not hold, but I'm not the person to ask about that I'm afraid.)
The moment a particle encounters another particle, does one wave function collapse and a new one pop up?
No. The "collapse of the wavefunction" usually refers to something specific. In QM there is a special class of wave functions called eigenfunctions, or eigenstates. After any precise measurement of a physical observable, the wavefunction of the system is said to be in an eigenstate of that observable. The maths of QM says that any wave function -at all- can be represented by a sum of eigenstates; the idea of wavefunction collapse is that when you measure some quantity, all the eigenstates in the sum vanish apart from the one corresponding to the result of the measurement.
You're right, however, in that the wave function of an entangled particle is different from that of a "lone" one. What happens is that you need to start talking about the wavefunction for the whole system. This is usually based on products of the wavefunctions of the individual wavefunctions that comprise the system, but there's a few technical adjustments that need to be made, relating to the fact that "quantum particles" are intrinsically indistinguishable. For example, the pauli exclusion principle says that two fermions must be described by a wavefunction that yields zero probability of them being in the same state.
If you don’t know a particle is entangled can your wave function still be correct?
In the sense that you should really be talking about the wavefunction of the whole system, the answer is no. But the other particle might not affect the results of your measurements on the particle you know about. For example, say you're measuring the spin of the particle about the z-axis. The entanglement may be such that the spins of the two particles are anti-correlated (so if you measure spin up on one, you know that the other will be spin down). But it doesn't affect the probability of you measuring either spin up or spin down on the particle that you do know about (which, all other things being equal, is exactly 50%).
When an entangled particle encounters some other particle, does that make it no longer entangled?
Not sure. But I think the answer depends on what kind of interaction you're talking about. It might be that the new particle becomes entangled with the old ones to become a part of the new system; but some interactions (like measurement) can destroy entanglement.

Hope that helps!
 
A perfect example of what we discuss here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=285315&page=1

vanesch said:
Questions raised by CI, such as: if the detector clicks, but I don't look, is there a measurement or not ? And if I destroy the record ? And if I throw it in a black hole ? and over which one can have heated philosophical debates become a trivial issue from the MWI viewpoint.

The way I view MWI is not as some "ultimate truth", but rather as the bare bones logical consequence of the theory of quantum mechanics if you want to keep to the math and the logic all the way down. The price to pay is that it doesn't fit at all with any preconceived ideas of what could be reality, but what you win from it is a crystal-clear view on the wheels and gears of the quantum-mechanical formalism, and that all so-called paradoxes disappear in a puff of logic. There are no difficulties anymore in viewing any EPR experiment, or any quantum eraser experiment or anything. It all comes out very clear.
 
muppet,

Thank you so much. That's just what I was looking for.
 
You're welcome :smile:
Dmitry67: I deliberately didn't mention MWI because it's only something you're in a position to understand once you understand entanglement as an independent concept, although I appreciate it has very direct relevance to the final question in particular.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
6K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 71 ·
3
Replies
71
Views
8K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
4K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
7K