The Cubic Formula: ax^3+bx^2+cx+d=0

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The discussion centers around the cubic formula for solving cubic equations of the form ax3 + bx2 + cx + d = 0. Participants explore methods for deriving solutions, including Cardano's formula and the Del Ferro method, while also seeking clarification through examples.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the cubic formula, drawing a parallel to the quadratic formula.
  • Another participant mentions Cardano's formula and the need to transform the cubic equation into a specific form using a substitution.
  • A link to a resource for an explicit formula is provided, suggesting further reading.
  • One participant requests an example of applying Cardano's and Del Ferro methods to a specific cubic equation.
  • A detailed explanation is given on how to reduce a cubic equation to a simpler form without the x2 term, including the substitution process and the resulting polynomial.
  • Further elaboration on Cardano's formula is presented, including the relationships between variables and the steps to solve for roots.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the substitution process and the determination of a specific value (-6) in the context of the transformation.

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Participants do not reach consensus on the clarity of the methods discussed, as one participant expresses confusion about the steps involved in the transformation process.

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The discussion includes various mathematical transformations and assumptions that may not be fully detailed, such as the choice of substitution and the implications of specific values in the context of the cubic equation.

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The quadratic formula is, as you are well aware:

ax^2+bx+c=0 x=\frac{-b\pm\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}

What is the cubic formula?

ax^3+bx^2+cx+d=0

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Cardano's formula will get you one root, but you have to transform the general equation a*x^3+b*x^2+cx+d=0 into e*z^3+f*z+g=0 by use of the substitution z=x-b/3. Mathworld explains a bit more: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CubicFormula.html
 
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could someone just show me with an example on how to work the cardano and Del ferro method from start to finish say using x^3-6x^2+2x-1
 
The first thing you do is "reduce" the equation to the form x^3+ bx= c without any x^2 term. To do that, let x= y- a. Then x^3= (y- a)^3= y^3- 3ay^2+ 3a^2y- a^3[/math] and x^2= (y- a)^2= y^2- 2ay+ a^2[/math]<br /> <br /> x^3- 6x^2+ 2x-1= y^3 -ay^2+ a^2y- a^3- 6y^2+ 12ay- 6a^2+ 2y- 2a- 1= y^3+ (-a- 6)y^2+ (a^2+ 2)y+ (-a^3- 2a- 1)[/math]<br /> <br /> That will have no "y^2" term is a= -6 and, in that case, the polynomial is <br /> y^3+ 38y+ 229 and so our equation is y^3+ 38y+ 229= 0.<br /> <br /> Here's a quick review of Cardano's formula:<br /> (a+ b)^3= a^3+ 3a^2b+ 3ab^2+ b^3<br /> -3ab(a+ b)= -3a^2b- 3ab^3<br /> so that (a+ b)^3+ 3ab(a+ b)= a^3+ b^3.<br /> <br /> In particular, if we let x= a+b, m= 3ab, and n= a^3+ b^3, x^3+ mx= n.<br /> <br /> Can we go the other way? That is, given m and n, can we find a and b and so find x?<br /> <br /> Yes, we can. From m= 3ab, we have b= m/(3a) so a^3+ b^3= a^3+ m^3/(3^2a^3)= n. Multiplying through by a^3, (a^3)^2+ m^3/3^3= na^3 or (a^3)^2- na^3+ m^3/3^3= 0. <br /> <br /> We can think of that as a <b>quadratic</b> equation in a^3 and solve it with the quadratic formula:<br /> a^3= \frac{n\pm\sqrt{n^2- 4\frac{m^3}{3^3}}}{2}= \frac{n}{2}\pm\sqrt{\left(\frac{n}{2}\right)^2- \left(\frac{m}{3}\right)^3}<br /> and a is the cube root of that.<br /> <br /> From n= a^3+ b^3 we have <br /> b^3= n- a^3= \frac{n}{2}\mp\sqrt{\left(\frac{n}{2}\right)^2- \left(\frac{m}{3}\right)^3}.<br /> <br /> <br /> Now, in this problem, y^3+ 38y+ 229= 0 or y^3+ 38y= -229 so m= 38 and n= -229. <br /> \frac{n}{2}= -\frac{229}{2} <br /> and <br /> \left(\frac{n}{2}\right)^2= \frac{52441}{4}<br /> <br /> \frac{m}{3}= \frac{38}{3}<br /> and<br /> \left(\frac{m}{3}\right)^3= \frac{54872}{27}<br /> <br /> So <br /> a^3= -\frac{229}{2}\pm\sqrt{\frac{52441}{4}- \frac{54872}{27}}<br /> and<br /> b^3= -\frac{229}{2}\mp\sqrt{\frac{52441}{4}- \frac{54872}{27}}<br /> <br /> Calculate those numbers, take the cube roots to find a and b and then find x= a+ b.<br /> Each of those will have 3 cube roots but in the various ways of combining them, some things will cancel so that there will be, at most, 3 roots to the equation.
 
thank yo for taking the time to show me this but I am still confused, after plugging in y-a into the equation how does a= -6
 

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