The current planet count stands at 490

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The discussion revolves around the current count of 490 identified planets and the uncertainties regarding their classification as planets. Participants explore the methods used to detect these celestial bodies, particularly focusing on light curves and the potential for misidentifying binary star systems as planets.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether scientists can guarantee with 100% certainty that the identified objects are indeed planets, suggesting the possibility of misidentification due to binary star systems.
  • Others argue that while some large Jupiter-like planets may be brown dwarfs, most of the identified objects are likely planets based on light curve analysis and radial velocities.
  • There is a discussion about the characteristics of binary star systems, with some suggesting that the presence of two minima in light curves could indicate a binary system rather than a planet.
  • Participants propose that the angle of observation relative to the plane of revolution of planetary systems may lead to many planets being missed, with one suggesting that this could be estimated geometrically.
  • Some express concern that the transiting method of detection may miss over 99.99% of planets due to observational angles, highlighting the need for multiple detection methods.
  • There is speculation that there could be millions of undiscovered planets, given the vast number of stars in the Milky Way, many of which have not been cataloged.
  • Participants note that while several hundred stars with planets have been identified, existing detection techniques may miss a significant percentage of stars that also host planets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are many uncertainties in identifying planets and that current detection methods have limitations. However, there is no consensus on the extent of these uncertainties or the implications for the total number of planets.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the random distribution of angles between the axes of rotation for planetary systems and the galactic plane, as well as the effectiveness of different detection methods in identifying planets.

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Readers interested in astrophysics, planetary science, and the methodologies used in the detection of exoplanets may find this discussion relevant.

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The current planet count stands at 490 but can scientists gurantee 100% that they are planets. For instance, isn't it possible to identify a star passing in front of another star (binary) when looking at the light curve?
 
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A few of the large jupiter-like planets are big enough that they might be brown-dwarfs, but most of them are planets. From the light curves (or radial velocities) you can deduce some of the properties of the object and figure out what it is. Also, generally, there would be lots of particular characteristics that its just a binary star system.
 


amalmirando said:
but can scientists gurantee 100%?

Scientists can't guarantee anything 100%.
 


amalmirando said:
The current planet count stands at 490 but can scientists gurantee 100% that they are planets. For instance, isn't it possible to identify a star passing in front of another star (binary) when looking at the light curve?
For a binary star system, there would be two minima in the light (magnitude) of the star - corresponding to passage of one star in front, and then again when the star passes behind the other. This assumes that the stars revolve such that the line of observation passes through them.

A planet-star system would have one minimum, assuming that the rotational plane is parallel (or nearly so) with the line of observation, i.e. that the planet passes between the star and observer.

One has to wonder how many planets are missed because we're looking perpendicular (or nearly so) to the plane of revolution.
 


binary star systems havnt definative charectaristics. You could also look at if the star wobbles , then you could arguye that a gravitational force from a planet could be their.
 


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Astronuc said:
One has to wonder how many planets are missed because we're looking perpendicular (or nearly so) to the plane of revolution.

Assuming angle between axes of rotation for planetary systems and galactic plane is completely random, it should be relatively easy to estimate number of those not seen just considering geometry of the systems involved. No idea if the assumption holds.
 


thanks a lot guys...
 


Borek said:
Assuming angle between axes of rotation for planetary systems and galactic plane is completely random, it should be relatively easy to estimate number of those not seen just considering geometry of the systems involved. No idea if the assumption holds.

And it would be huge. The angle between our line of sight and the system's plane must be within a tiny fraction of a minute of a degree. Which means the transiting method is missing 99.99%+ of the planets. That's why we use many other methods.

Transiting misses a lot. But what it does catch is great, because it works on much smaller bodies than wobble and other methods.
 
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It means there could be millions of planets still hiding from us ...
 
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Of course there are. There are hundreds of billions of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy. Most of these stars have never even been catalog and many of them surely have planets.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Of course there are. There are hundreds of billions of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy. Most of these stars have never even been catalog and many of them surely have planets.
That's not the point; the point is this:

We've spotted several hundred stars with planets locally.
And our techniques miss 90% of the stars with planets.
Which implies that there are hundreds more stars with planets right in our own neighbourhood.
 

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