The decrease of the information v.s. chaos ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the decrease of information in a system and its chaotic behavior. Participants explore how this concept is defined and seek references or explanations related to chaos theory, particularly in the context of information theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the decrease of information can be used to determine if a system is chaotic, expressing uncertainty about the concept.
  • Another participant references a paper by Michel Baranger that discusses the decrease of the observer's information regarding the system, suggesting it as a resource for understanding the topic.
  • Participants express appreciation for the references provided, indicating a positive reception of the information shared.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the specifics of how to apply the concept of information decrease to chaos, and the discussion remains exploratory with varying levels of understanding.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of chaos and information decrease may be implicit, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical or theoretical steps involved in applying these concepts.

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the decrease of the information v.s. chaos ??

One book about Chaos says that we can use the decrease of the information of the system to define whether the system is chaotic or not.

I don't know why and how to do it?

If you know about it, can you show it to me, or you can tell me the corresponding papers.

Thank you!
 
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xylai said:
One book about Chaos says that we can use the decrease of the information of the system to define whether the system is chaotic or not.

I don't know why and how to do it?

If you know about it, can you show it to me, or you can tell me the corresponding papers.

Thank you!

This paper explains it is as the decrease of the observer's information of the system:
Chaos, Complexity, and Entropy
A physics talk for non-physicists
Michel Baranger
http://www.necsi.org/projects/baranger/cce.pdf
 


Thank you for your developmental reply!
 


atyy said:
This paper explains it is as the decrease of the observer's information of the system:
Chaos, Complexity, and Entropy
A physics talk for non-physicists
Michel Baranger
http://www.necsi.org/projects/baranger/cce.pdf

really good stuff, thanks.

Ll.
 

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