The Difference Between Euclidean and Riemannian Spaces

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The discussion centers on the differences between Euclidean and Riemannian spaces, specifically focusing on their definitions, properties, and the nature of metrics associated with them. Participants explore the concepts of manifolds, metrics, and the relationships between various types of spaces, including Euclidean and Riemannian manifolds.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that "space" should be replaced with "manifold" for greater generality, as Riemannian metrics are defined on manifolds.
  • It is noted that a Riemannian manifold has a positive definite metric, while a Euclidean manifold is a specific case where the metric is the Euclidean metric.
  • Questions arise regarding other positive definite metrics in ##\mathbb{R}^n## and whether Riemannian spaces can also be considered Hilbert spaces.
  • One participant mentions the taxicab metric as an example of a different metric that could be positive definite.
  • Concerns are raised about the completeness of metric spaces and the nature of Riemannian manifolds, suggesting that not all Riemannian manifolds are Hilbert spaces.
  • Another participant reflects on the ambiguity of the term "space," considering it could refer to various interpretations of Euclidean space, including topological and vector space structures.
  • There is a recognition that Riemannian metrics differ from those studied in metric spaces, leading to some confusion about definitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and relationships between Euclidean and Riemannian spaces, with no consensus reached on the implications of these differences or the nature of the metrics involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity in definitions and the potential for confusion when discussing metrics in different contexts, such as metric spaces versus Riemannian manifolds. There is also mention of the limitations of certain metrics and the conditions under which they apply.

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What's the difference between Euclidean and Riemann space? As far as I know ##\mathbb{R}^n## is Euclidean space.
 
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Let's replace the word "space" with "manifold" because its more general.
A Riemannian manifold is a manifold having a positive definite metric.
A Euclidean manifold is a special case of a Riemannian manifold where the positive definite metric is a Euclidean metric i.e. [itex]d(x,y)=\sqrt{\sum_i (x_i-y_i)^2}[/itex].
 
Tnx. But what other metrics do you have to be positive definite in ##\mathbb{R}^n##? According to this is Riemann space also Hilbert space?
 
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Anything anyone can think of!
For example the taxicab metric.

About your second question,the semi-definite metric making our manifold a Riemannian one,maybe not induced by an inner product!
Also the metric space in question maybe not complete.
So no,not all Riemannian manifolds are Hilbert Spaces!
But it seems to me that every Real Hilbert Space,is a Riemmanian manifold!
(Sorry math people for putting my feet into your shoes!)
 
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Shyan said:
Let's replace the word "space" with "manifold" because its more general.

Unless by space you mean something like vector spaces, it's actually the other way around. The restriction to manifolds is necessary, however, since they are precisely the spaces on which Riemannian metrics are defined.

A Riemannian manifold is a manifold having a positive definite metric.
A Euclidean manifold is a special case of a Riemannian manifold where the positive definite metric is a Euclidean metric

They are technically different kinds of metrics. The metrics you learn about when studying metric spaces are very different than Riemannian metrics.
 
jgens said:
Unless by space you mean something like vector spaces, it's actually the other way around. The restriction to manifolds is necessary, however, since they are precisely the spaces on which Riemannian metrics are defined.
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In fact I was considering the "space" in the OP to mean 3-dimensional Euclidean manifold!
jgens said:
They are technically different kinds of metrics. The metrics you learn about when studying metric spaces are very different than Riemannian metrics.
I was starting to feel that way too,because the wikipedia page on Riemannian manifolds were defining Riemannian metrics somehow that I couldn't relate it to the definition of metric in metric spaces!
So I retreat and leave this thread to mathematicians.
 
LagrangeEuler said:
What's the difference between Euclidean and Riemann space? As far as I know ##\mathbb{R}^n## is Euclidean space.

Riemannian manifolds are those manifolds equipped with a specific Riemannian metric. It can be shown that every manifold can be endowed with such a metric.

Euclidean space has a bit more flexible interpretation in my opinion. Sometimes it can refer to Rn purely as a topological space. Other times it may refer to the vector space structure of Rn. It could mean a combination of the two as well. Or it could refer to Rn as a Riemmanian manifold with the usual metric or something else still.
 

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