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The discussion revolves around a theorem concerning the distance from a point to a convex and closed subset of a Hilbert space. Participants explore the conditions under which this distance is attained, the uniqueness of the closest point, and the implications of convexity and closedness of the set.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if $K$ is closed, there exists a unique point $y_x \in K$ such that the distance from $x$ to $K$ is attained.
  • Others note that if $K$ is not closed, the distance $d(x,K)$ may not be attained, providing an example with $X=\mathbb{R}^2$ and an open circle.
  • One participant questions how to deduce that $d(x,K)=1$ in the context of the example given.
  • There is a discussion about the sequence of points in $K$ converging to the infimum of distances and how this relates to the Cauchy property in a complete metric space.
  • Some participants discuss the application of the Parallelogram law to show that a sequence $(y_n)$ is Cauchy, leading to convergence in $K$.
  • Visual aids are used to clarify the relationship between the point outside the set and the boundary of the set, emphasizing the concept of infimum distances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the theorem's statement regarding closed and convex sets, but there are multiple competing views on the implications of non-closed and non-convex sets. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of applying the Parallelogram law and the conditions under which uniqueness is guaranteed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of closed and convex sets, and the unresolved nature of some mathematical steps related to the application of the Parallelogram law.

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Hello! (Wave)

Theorem:Let $K$ be a convex and closed subset of a Hilbert space $X$ and $x \in X$. Then there is a unique $y_x \in K$ such that $$||x-y_x||=d(x,K):=inf \{||x-y||: y \in K \}$$

Remarks:

- if $K$ is not closed then the distance $d(x,K)$ isn't attained in general.

If for example $X=\mathbb{R}^2$ and $D(0,1)=\{ y \in \mathbb{R}^2: ||y||_2 <1\}$ and $x=(2,0)$ then $d(x,K)=1$ and is attained at the point $(1,0) \notin K$.Could you explain me how we deduce that $d(x,K)=1$ ? - if $K$ isn't convex then the uniqueness isn't satisfied.

Could you explain me why? - If $A \subset \mathbb{R} (\neq \varnothing)$ then there is a sequence $(a_n) \in A$ such that $a_n \to \inf A$ .
From the last remark we have that there is a sequence $(y_n) \in K$ such that $||x-y_n|| \to d(x,K)$.

If we apply the last remark don't we get that there is a $y_n \in K$ such that $y_n \to \inf K$ ? How do we conclude that $||x-y_n|| \to d(x,K)$ ?Firstly we want to show that $(y_n)$ is Cauchy and since $X$ is a complete metric space it will converge to a $y \in X$, i.e. $||y_n-y|| \to 0$ and since $K$ is closed we will have that $y \in K$.In order to show this we will use the Parallelogram law $||x-y||^2+||x+y||^2=2 ||x||^2+2 ||y||^2$. But what $x$ and $y$ do we have to use? (Thinking)
 
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I don't have time to answer all your questions just now, but I can answer a few, and perhaps nudge you on the others.

evinda said:
Hello! (Wave)

Theorem:Let $K$ be a convex and closed subset of a Hilbert space $X$ and $x \in X$. Then there is a unique $y_x \in K$ such that $$||x-y_x||=d(x,K):=inf \{||x-y||: y \in K \}$$

Remarks:

- if $K$ is not closed then the distance $d(x,K)$ isn't attained in general.

If for example $X=\mathbb{R}^2$ and $D(0,1)=\{ y \in \mathbb{R}^2: ||y||_2 <1\}$ and $x=(2,0)$ then $d(x,K)=1$ and is attained at the point $(1,0) \notin K$.Could you explain me how we deduce that $d(x,K)=1$ ?

So $K$ is the open circle of radius $1$, centered at the origin, right? If you visualize the point $(2,0)$ relative to the circle, then the point on the boundary of the circle closest to $x$ is $(1,0)$. However, this point is not in the open circle. Consider the sequence $\{(1-1/n,0)\} \subset K$, and the distance from each of these points to $(2,0)$ in the Euclidean metric. Then those distances are $2-(1-1/n)=1+1/n$. If we take the infimum of these distances, we will see that it is $1$, and hence $d(x,K)=1$.
- if $K$ isn't convex then the uniqueness isn't satisfied.

Could you explain me why?

See the following figure:

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The point on the right is equidistant from the two different lobes on the left. The two circles on the left make a decidedly non-convex shape, and so you can see why the distance from a point to a set might not be unique if the set isn't convex.

The rest of your post will take considerably more thought. I can't promise a time when I can look at it.
 

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evinda said:
Theorem:Let $K$ be a convex and closed subset of a Hilbert space $X$ and $x \in X$. Then there is a unique $y_x \in K$ such that $$||x-y_x||=d(x,K):=inf \{||x-y||: y \in K \}$$
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- If $A \subset \mathbb{R} (\neq \varnothing)$ then there is a sequence $(a_n) \in A$ such that $a_n \to \inf A$ .

From the last remark we have that there is a sequence $(y_n) \in K$ such that $||x-y_n|| \to d(x,K)$.

Firstly we want to show that $(y_n)$ is Cauchy and since $X$ is a complete metric space it will converge to a $y \in X$, i.e. $||y_n-y|| \to 0$ and since $K$ is closed we will have that $y \in K$.In order to show this we will use the Parallelogram law $||x-y||^2+||x+y||^2=2 ||x||^2+2 ||y||^2$. But what $x$ and $y$ do we have to use? (Thinking)
In the parallelogram law, replace "$x$" by $x-y_n$ and "$y$" by $x-y_m$. Then the law says that $$\|(x-y_n) - (x-y_m)\|^2 + \|(x-y_n) + (x-y_m)\|^2 = 2\|x-y_n\|^2 + 2\|x-y_m\|^2.$$ On the left side of that equation, the first term is $\|y_m-y_n\|^2$. The second term can be written as $\|2x - (y_m + y_n)\|^2 = 4\|x - \frac12(y_m+y_n)\|^2.$ But $\frac12(y_m+y_n) \in K$ because $K$ is convex. Therefore $\|x - \frac12(y_m+y_n)\| \geqslant d = d(x,K)$. It follows that $$\|y_m-y_n\|^2 \leqslant 2\|x-y_n\|^2 + 2\|x-y_m\|^2 - 4d^2.$$ When $m$ and $n$ are large, $\|x-y_n\|$ and $\|x-y_m\|$ are both close to $d$, and it follows that the right side of that inequality will be close to zero. It follows that $\|y_m-y_n\|^2$ on the left side of the inequality will also be close to zero. This shows that the sequence $(y_n)$ is Cauchy.
 
Ackbach said:
So $K$ is the open circle of radius $1$, centered at the origin, right? If you visualize the point $(2,0)$ relative to the circle, then the point on the boundary of the circle closest to $x$ is $(1,0)$. However, this point is not in the open circle. Consider the sequence $\{(1-1/n,0)\} \subset K$, and the distance from each of these points to $(2,0)$ in the Euclidean metric. Then those distances are $2-(1-1/n)=1+1/n$. If we take the infimum of these distances, we will see that it is $1$, and hence $d(x,K)=1$.

Could you explain it further to me? (Sweating)

Ackbach said:
See the following figure:
The point on the right is equidistant from the two different lobes on the left. The two circles on the left make a decidedly non-convex shape, and so you can see why the distance from a point to a set might not be unique if the set isn't convex.

Ah, I see... (Nod)
 
evinda said:
Could you explain it further to me? (Sweating)

Sure! Let me show you a picture:

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Here I've included the Mathematica code I used to generate this plot. Now, the circle is shown filled, with a dotted line, to show that the boundary itself is not included in the circle (it's an open circle). The point is shown on the right with a blue dot. We're trying to find the distance from the point to the circle. Now, imagine any sequence of points converging to the right-most point of the circle, which is at $(1,0)$, and is clearly the point on the (closed) circle closest to the point $(2,0)$. The infimum of the distances from the sequence points to the point $(2,0)$ will be $1$, which is simply the Euclidean distance from $(1,0)$ to $(2,0)$.

Does that answer your question?
 

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Ackbach said:
Sure! Let me show you a picture:
Here I've included the Mathematica code I used to generate this plot. Now, the circle is shown filled, with a dotted line, to show that the boundary itself is not included in the circle (it's an open circle). The point is shown on the right with a blue dot. We're trying to find the distance from the point to the circle. Now, imagine any sequence of points converging to the right-most point of the circle, which is at $(1,0)$, and is clearly the point on the (closed) circle closest to the point $(2,0)$. The infimum of the distances from the sequence points to the point $(2,0)$ will be $1$, which is simply the Euclidean distance from $(1,0)$ to $(2,0)$.

Does that answer your question?

Yes, I got it... Thanks a lot! (Smirk)
 

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