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The discussion revolves around finding the equations of two lines through a point A(-1,1), one parallel and the other perpendicular to a given line defined by the equation y=1. The subject area includes concepts of linear equations and slopes.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the definitions of parallel and perpendicular lines, with some attempting to apply the slope-intercept form. Questions arise regarding the nature of the slopes involved, particularly when dealing with horizontal and vertical lines.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions about slopes. Some guidance has been offered regarding the characteristics of horizontal and vertical lines, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach to finding the perpendicular line.

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There is confusion regarding the application of slopes, particularly the undefined nature of vertical lines and the implications for the problem at hand. Participants are also navigating the constraints of the homework problem without complete clarity on the definitions involved.

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Homework Statement


Find the equations of two lines through A. one parallel and the other perpendicular to the line defined by the given equation.
[tex]A(-1,1),y=1[/tex]


Homework Equations


Parallel lines
[tex]y = mx + b[/tex]
then solve for b
Perpendicular
[tex]y = -mx + b[tex] then solve for b<br /> <br /> <h2>The Attempt at a Solution</h2><br /> <br /> Parallel:<br /> [tex]y=1[/tex]<br /> [tex]y = 0 + b[/tex]<br /> [tex]1 = 0 + b[/tex]<br /> [tex]b = 1[tex] thus,<br /> [tex]y=1[/tex]<br /> <br /> <br /> Perpendicular:<br /> I got stuck at the perpendicular part... because the answer from the back of my book is x = -1<br /> <br /> My answer is y = 1 also[/tex][/tex][/tex][/tex]
 
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To get a perpendicular line, you need to swap the slopes (m) for their negative recipricol.

Example:

[tex]y=2x+5[/tex]

is perpendicular to [tex]y=-\frac{1}{2}x+5[/tex]

parallel you just change the b.

I don't know if this helps, I hope it does.
 
Equilibrium said:

Homework Statement


Find the equations of two lines through A. one parallel and the other perpendicular to the line defined by the given equation.
[tex]A(-1,1),y=1[/tex]


Homework Equations


Parallel lines
[tex]y = mx + b[/tex]
then solve for b
Perpendicular
[tex]y = -mx + b[tex] then solve for b<br /> <br /> <h2>The Attempt at a Solution</h2><br /> <br /> Parallel:<br /> [tex]y=1[/tex]<br /> [tex]y = 0 + b[/tex]<br /> [tex]1 = 0 + b[/tex]<br /> [tex]b = 1[tex] thus,<br /> [tex]y=1[/tex]<br /> <br /> <br /> Perpendicular:<br /> I got stuck at the perpendicular part... because the answer from the back of my book is x = -1<br /> <br /> My answer is y = 1 also[/tex][/tex][/tex][/tex]
[tex][tex][tex][tex] ?? do you mean you get y= 1 for a parallel and a perpendicular? Surely that can't be possible!<br /> <br /> <br /> You write:<br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Parallel lines<br /> [tex]y = mx + b[/tex]<br /> then solve for b<br /> Perpendicular<br /> [tex]y = -mx + b[tex] then solve for b[/tex][/tex] </div> </div> </blockquote>[tex][tex] That's incorrect. A line perependicular to y= mx+ b has slope -1/m, not -m. Since for y= 1, m= 0, -1/m does NOT exist. What does that tell you?<br /> <br /> Rather than trying to plug numbers into formulas, <b>think</b>! What does the line y= 1 look like? What would a line perpendicular to it look like?[/tex][/tex][/tex][/tex][/tex][/tex]
 
y = 1 is a horizontal line with slope 0. the perpendicular line will be vertical. what does that tell you about the slope?
 
the slope will be -1?

but x is 0 in y = 0x + 1? could it be that the slope can't be change?
 
the slope of a vertical line is undefined.
 
Equilibrium said:
the slope will be -1?

but x is 0 in y = 0x + 1? could it be that the slope can't be change?
No, x is NOT 0 in "y= 0x+ 1"! The COEFFICIENT of x is 0. x can be any value.

As Courtigrad pointed out, a vertical line does not have a slope. That was my point before. In fact, my other point was that you shouldn't be worrying about 'slope' at all! y= 1 is a horizontal line. Any line parallel to it must also be a horizontal line, of the form y= constant. Of course, that means it has slope 0 but that is not really important and confuses the issue with "perpendicular" lines. Vertical lines cannot be written in the form y= mx+ b! Obviously any line perpendicular to a horizontal line is vertical. What does the equation of any vertical line look like? What must the equation of a vertical line through (-1, 1) be?
 

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