The Fourth Dimension: Introduction to a Book

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The discussion centers around the concept of the fourth dimension, particularly in relation to mathematical constructs and physical theories. Participants express confusion about the distinction between the fourth spatial dimension and time as the fourth dimension in general relativity. Analogies, such as the "Flatland" concept, are used to explain higher dimensions, but some participants find these explanations lacking or nonsensical. Questions arise regarding the coexistence of time as a dimension and its relationship with the bending of three-dimensional space due to mass. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the complexities and misunderstandings surrounding the fourth dimension in both mathematical and physical contexts.
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The Pauli exclusion principle is only with respect to time, so no, I do not believe it would violate it.
Fair point, but the argument seemingly being put forward in #18 was that “there is no such thing as time, only space”. Therefore, I was only highlighting that removing the concept of time has knock-on effects with respect to current science.
I'm not really sure what you mean, but I don't think you can maintain as clear a distinction between them as was previously thought by Newton etc. Clearly one affects the other, but I'd agree they aren't the same.
As far as I am aware, the main difference is that Newton saw time as an absolute concept, while Einstein describes time as a relative concept. Therefore, I was just questioning whether the concept of spacetime really affects our separate perception of space and time.
I don't believe the balloon analogy should be taken too far to apply to the shape of the Universe. I think it is only used to explain how Earth is not in the centre despite everything moving away from it.
I agree. However, to many it seems to infer some description of a boundless universe. Therefore, I was just curious to known whether there was any rationale behind this inference or that it was simply pushing the analogy too far.
But don't ask me, I'm only a 17 year old.
Unfortunately age isn’t always an indicator of intelligence or wisdom. If it were I would be a lot smarter.:wink:
 
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I think there doesn't exist a four dimension. Although visual spatial learner can see with 3 dimension in their mind. so I guess what you call the fourth dimension is actually the 3 dimension but spatial. just like you have 3 d en ddd stands for 3 d such like windows vista and mac, the screen can turn itself, unlike the ddd that de picture can come out of the screen instead, and that create the spatial effect. I am a visual spatial learner, and see picture and movies in 3d en ddd (spatial) in my mind. I know exactely where is something wrong.
 
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Dear Maxvan
Allright so you have a 3-D imagination and also some beginning technology on that area. I have some ideas how to make the fourth vivid.
1 A ship or a duck makes a fore in the water. It is adding up circles; and if the ship/duck bathe in this situation for a conciderable time then it tends to a V,
but what if the ship/duck just started?
2 An airplane drops parachutists. You see the first perhaps with open shute and others with a downgoing line ending in the open door of the plane.

are those four dimensional pictures or not?
greetings JnM
 
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