The functional form for dependence of force on Current?

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The discussion centers on determining the relationship between magnetic force and current for two parallel conductors, specifically using the equation F=BLIsin(theta). It is established that the relationship is not linear, particularly when considering both the distance between the conductors and the current. Participants emphasized the need to express the magnetic field strength (B) in terms of current and to verify that the conductors are sufficiently long for the equation to apply. The importance of understanding the nonlinearity in the relationship was highlighted, especially when both wires carry identical currents.

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  • Understanding of magnetic force equations, specifically F=BLIsin(theta)
  • Knowledge of magnetic field strength (B) and its dependence on current
  • Familiarity with the concept of nonlinearity in physics
  • Basic principles of electromagnetism related to parallel conductors
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  • Research how to express magnetic field strength (B) in terms of current for parallel conductors
  • Study the conditions under which the force between parallel conductors is nonlinear
  • Examine the implications of wire length on the validity of the equation F=BLIsin(theta)
  • Explore experimental methods to measure the magnetic force between conductors at varying distances and currents
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Students and researchers in physics, particularly those working on electromagnetism experiments involving parallel conductors, as well as educators seeking to clarify concepts of magnetic force and current relationships.

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I am working on a lab where we were measuring how magnetic force between two parallel conductors varies with current and the separation between the two conductors. I need to find a formula for the dependence of Force on current to create a fit line on the data in my graph that shows the relation between them. I know the general equation is F=BLIsin(theta) but I remember my professor telling us that the relationship is not linear. I am not sure where to go from here or what I am missing. Is there a part of the relationship that I am missing?
 
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Did he give you a reference about the nonlinearity or the special conditions where linearity fails?
 
alfab said:
I am working on a lab where we were measuring how magnetic force between two parallel conductors varies with current and the separation between the two conductors. I need to find a formula for the dependence of Force on current to create a fit line on the data in my graph that shows the relation between them. I know the general equation is F=BLIsin(theta) but I remember my professor telling us that the relationship is not linear. I am not sure where to go from here or what I am missing. Is there a part of the relationship that I am missing?

First of all, you need to figure out if that sin θ factor is still needed for two parallel wires.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/wirfor.html

Secondly, you need to express "B" in terms of the current. Do they both carry the same current, or different?

Finally, in reference to the "not linear" part. You are being asked to look at two different dependence: distance between the two, and the current. If you have expressed "B" in terms of the current, you'll also see a a dependence on the current and on the distance between the two. It should be obvious which relationship is nonlinear. You may have both relationships being nonlinear if the current is identical in both wires.

Zz.
 
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Also, the referenced equation is for two "infinitely long" straight wires. You might need to assure yourself that your wires are long enough for the equation to be valid.
 
ZapperZ said:
First of all, you need to figure out if that sin θ factor is still needed for two parallel wires.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/wirfor.html

Secondly, you need to express "B" in terms of the current. Do they both carry the same current, or different?

Finally, in reference to the "not linear" part. You are being asked to look at two different dependence: distance between the two, and the current. If you have expressed "B" in terms of the current, you'll also see a a dependence on the current and on the distance between the two. It should be obvious which relationship is nonlinear. You may have both relationships being nonlinear if the current is identical in both wires.

Zz.
Okay that link actually helped a lot, I was not representing B properly and i forgot I needed the current.
 

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