Does a Railgun's Current Violate Conservation of Momentum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of railguns, specifically addressing whether the current generated in a railgun setup violates the conservation of momentum. Participants explore the implications of Lorentz forces, displacement currents, and the behavior of the system during operation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a railgun setup involving a capacitor and wires, questioning how the system's momentum is conserved when a Lorentz force acts on the projectile.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the nature of the current flow and its relation to railgun mechanics, specifically regarding the role of displacement current.
  • A participant suggests that the displacement current could counterbalance the actual current, raising questions about the magnetic fields involved.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the magnetic fields created by the currents cancel each other out, potentially leading to a violation of momentum conservation.
  • One participant draws an analogy to a gun's recoil to illustrate how momentum conservation operates in a railgun context, suggesting that even in an ideal scenario, the system must account for recoil effects.
  • Another participant challenges the analogy, emphasizing that in an isolated system, the structure appears to accelerate without any external forces acting on it.
  • Further discussion includes the idea that the Earth itself could be considered the "partner" in momentum conservation when a railgun is fired in an idealized environment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the currents and the conservation of momentum. There is no consensus on whether the current in a railgun setup violates conservation principles, and multiple competing interpretations of the mechanics are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight assumptions about the idealized nature of the system, the role of displacement currents, and the implications of magnetic field interactions. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the specific mechanics of momentum conservation in this context.

  • #61
alan123hk said:
Thank you for introducing this useful and informative calculation process.

However, I noticed that doing this experiment can be very difficult and expensive.
Agreed, my idealized device is hardly practical. So let's make a more realistic example by increasing the total mass and storing energy in a commercial capacitor. For example, on Amazon you can find this ##1\text{ gm}## Torong HV ceramic chip capacitor:
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characterized by ##C=10\text{ nF},V=30\text{ kV}##. Coupling this to a lightweight antenna structure, we could perhaps put together a device of, say, ##M=50\text{ gm}## total. Energy-momentum conservation then yields:$$E_{\text{rad}}\approx E_{\text{cap}}=4.5\text{ J},\:Mc^{2}=4.5\times10^{15}\text{ J},\:v=300\text{ nm/s},\:\frac{1}{2}Mv^{2}=2.25\times10^{-15}\text{ J}$$So the recoil speed ##v## is only on the order of hundreds of nanometers per second, and this is an upper limit due to resistive losses and the reduced directivity of a real antenna. Nevertheless, I can imagine that a sensitive lab experiment in vacuum might be able to detect the motion.
 
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  • #62
renormalize said:
So the speed v is only on the order of hundreds of nanometers per second, and this is an upper limit due to resistive losses and the reduced directivity of a real antenna. Nevertheless, I can imagine that a sensitive lab experiment in vacuum might be able to detect the motion.
Agree that this movement should be detectable with advanced scientific instruments.
 

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