The Golden Rule versus the Platinum Rule

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the comparison between the Golden Rule and the Platinum Rule, exploring their implications in ethical behavior and interpersonal relationships. Participants examine the definitions, applications, and perceived shortcomings of each rule, leading to a broader conversation about ethics and motivations behind actions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the Golden Rule is outdated and suggest that the Platinum Rule, which emphasizes improving situations without expecting anything in return, is superior.
  • Others question the notion of selfishness associated with the Golden Rule, asserting that it is often misunderstood and serves as a foundational ethical principle.
  • A few participants highlight the subjective nature of what constitutes "better" in the context of the Platinum Rule, raising concerns about differing perspectives on improvement.
  • There are discussions about the potential for both rules to be misapplied or twisted, depending on individual motivations and interpretations.
  • Some contributions emphasize the importance of empathy and understanding individual needs when applying these rules, suggesting that personal experiences shape how one treats others.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the effectiveness of either rule in complex social situations, indicating that feelings and personal judgments play a significant role in ethical decision-making.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which rule is superior, with multiple competing views remaining on the definitions and implications of both the Golden and Platinum Rules.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of "better" and the subjective nature of ethical behavior, as well as the potential for misinterpretation of both rules in various contexts.

Which one?

  • Platinum Rule

    Votes: 9 60.0%
  • Golden Rule

    Votes: 6 40.0%

  • Total voters
    15
  • #61
JonF said:
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding in what the golden rule states

It doesn't state it, but it follows from its usage.
 
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  • #62
not true, consequentialism isn't always egotism
 
  • #63
I think both rules are bogus.

Golden Rule:
If you treat others as you wish to be treated, you might do something that they don't wish. Not everyone wishes to be treated the same way, and the absolutist thinking that everyone wishes to be treated as you do is arrogant.

Platinum Rule:
Leave everything better. Whose definition of better? What's "better" to you might not be "better" for others. Again, absolutist thinking.


So I propose a new rule:

Antimatter Rule: Do unto others as they would wish done unto them, and leave things the way those who will inherit them would want them.
 
  • #64
To Xori:

If you were to treat others how you wanted to be treated, and you wanted to be treated how you wanted to be treated, then would you not treat them how they wanted to be treated given that such treatment does not violate how everyone else wants to be treated, which covers if A wants you to kill B and B doesn't want to be killed.

To the overall conversation:
The Platinum Rule has a single hole in it, and that is that it does not support self preservation. Now given a world where everyone is following it, it should apply fine. But given a world where there are some who do not follow it, the lack of self preservation can lead to self destruction. It is the simple example of the Suckers/Grudgers/Cheaters.
 

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