The gravitating of a small mass towards a big mass

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational interaction between a small mass and a larger mass, focusing on the motion of the smaller mass as it approaches the larger one. The participants are exploring concepts related to gravitational potential energy, kinetic energy, and the differential equations governing the motion of the smaller mass.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the velocity of the smaller mass as a function of time and expresses uncertainty about solving the relevant differential equation. Some participants suggest separating variables and integrating to find a solution. Others raise concerns about missing information, specifically the radius of the larger mass, which could affect the collision point.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and questioning assumptions. There is a focus on clarifying the relationship between gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy, as well as the implications of the assumptions made regarding the system's parameters.

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Participants note the absence of the radius of the larger mass, which is critical for determining the collision point of the smaller mass. There is also a mention of the work-energy theorem as a potential approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement
A large mass of ##10^8## kg is held in free space at a certain point. A small mass of 1 kg exists at a point 1000 km (##10^6\;\text{m}##) away from the larger mass at the start of motion. Answer the following questions :
(1) Write the velocity of the smaller mass as function(s) of its space coordinate and time, assuming the location of the larger mass to be at the origin, the motion taking place along a line and the start of motion to be at ##t=0##.
(2) What is the location of the smaller mass at a given time ##t##?
(3) When will the smaller mass collide with the bigger mass?
(4) With what velocity will the bigger mass collide with the smaller mass?
Relevant Equations
From Newton's gravitation formula, the acceleration due to gravity ##g=\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}= \frac{GM}{x^2}##, where ##x## is the distance of separation between the masses ##M## and ##m## at a given instant.
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Attempt : Let me assume that the position of the smaller mass ##m## at a given instant of time ##t## is ##x(t)##.

(1) Gravitational potential energy ##\frac{GMm}{x} = \frac{1}{2}mv^2(x)##, where ##v(x)## is the velocity of the mass at that position. This simplifies to ##\boxed{v(x) = \sqrt{\frac{2GM}{x}}}##.
However, I do not know how to find the velocity as a function of the time ##t##, or ##v(t)##.
More crucially, I do not know how to solve the differential equation given in the Relevant Equations above : ##\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}= \frac{GM}{x^2}##. If I could, it would yield ##\frac{dx}{dt} = v(t)## and ##x(t)##, thereby answering questions 1 and 2 above.
Solving the differential equation would also lead to finding when will the masses collide and with what velocity, which would answers questions (3) and (4) above.

Request : A help or hint would be very welcome.
 
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For solving the differential equation, note that you have $$v(x) = \sqrt{\frac{2GM}{x}}=\frac{dx}{dt}.$$ Can you separate variables and integrate?

I am bothered by the fact that the radius of the larger sphere is not given. How will one know where the smaller mass is when it collides? Check your source to see if you missed it. If the radius is not given, assume that it is ##R## and proceed.

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Actually it should be $$\frac{dx}{dt} = -\sqrt{\frac{2GM}{x}}$$ because the distance ##x## decreases as time increases.
 
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brotherbobby said:
(1) Gravitational potential energy ##\frac{GMm}{x} = \frac{1}{2}mv^2(x)##, where ##v(x)## is the velocity of the mass at that position.
GPE is not ##\frac{GMm}{x}## (you forgot something) and there is no law that says GPE equals KE (or -KE). What does it say?
 
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Can you prove this?
If the object with mass ##m \ll M## is dropped at rest at the distance ##x_1## from the centre of the object with mass ##M##, then
## \dfrac{mv^2}{2} - \dfrac{GMm}{x} = -\dfrac{GMm}{x_1}## where ##x \leq x_1## and ##v## is the velocity at position ##x##.
Hint: work-energy theorem.
 

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