The idea of the universe repeating itself is troubling me

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the universe potentially repeating itself, exploring both philosophical and physical implications. Participants express concerns about the feasibility of such repetitions, particularly regarding the arrangement of particles on Earth over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses discomfort with the idea of the universe repeating itself and questions whether it is physically impossible for a previous state of Earth to be restored.
  • Another participant emphasizes their personal experience, stating they have never witnessed a day or moment repeat itself.
  • Some participants inquire about the sources of information regarding the universe's repetition and challenge the philosophical nature of the topic.
  • A participant introduces the concept of the Big Bang and discusses theories about cyclic universes, mentioning that some theories have been debunked.
  • One participant poses a specific scenario about the possibility of all particles on Earth rearranging themselves in a past configuration without a new Big Bang.
  • Another participant asserts that the probability of such a rearrangement occurring is zero, while another questions how this probability is calculated.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the possibility of the universe or Earth repeating itself. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the implications of physical theories and the nature of time.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference various theories, including cyclic models and the Big Bang, but there are unresolved questions about the definitions and assumptions underlying these theories. The conversation also touches on the philosophical aspects of the topic.

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I've recently read some posts about the universe repeating itself, or even the possibility of some states of the universe repeating themselves and it troubles me. I can't cope with the idea that someday i may go to the street and find today equal to yesterday or to some other day. This would seem impossible at first because everyone ages from day to day, but is there a way to prove that it is physically impossible for such as situation to happen? Given the enormos amount of physical transformations that occur each day it seems unlikely that a previous state of Earth could be restored.
 
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Ignore posts that speculate on the universe repeating itself.

In the 20675 days I've been in this life, I've never seen a day repeat itself, nor an hour, minute or second.
 
DarkFalz said:
I've recently read some posts about the universe repeating itself, or even the possibility of some states of the universe repeating themselves and it troubles me.
From where did you read that?

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https://www.physicsforums.com/blog.php?b=2703
 
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Astronuc said:
Ignore posts that speculate on the universe repeating itself.

In the 20675 days I've been in this life, I've never seen a day repeat itself, nor an hour, minute or second.

Is it provable still?
 
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But can the whole topic be considered philosophy? Is there something in the current physics theories that dictate the impossibility of such happening?
 
Is this the scenario you are interested in?

The Big Bang was the beginning of the universe as we know it, most scientists say. But was it the first beginning, and will it be the last?

A popular picture of the early universe imagines a single Big Bang, after which space blew up quickly like a giant bubble. But another theory posits that we live in a universe of 11 dimensions, where all particles are actually made of tiny vibrating strings. This could create a universe stuck in a cycle of Big Bangs and Big Crunches, due to repeat on loop.

Which scenario is closer to the truth remains to be seen, but scientists say new experiments underway could provide more answers soon.

http://www.space.com/8066-big-bang-solid-theory-mysteries-remain.html

I've read that the "cyclic universe" has been debunked, which points back to Astronuc's post above.
 
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I was considered smaller scope situation. My question is if it is possible for a set of particles, for instance ALL of Earth particles to rearrange themselves once more in the same configuration that they were, for instance, in the Medieval time, without a new big bang occurring meanwhile. Like in 1000 years all of Earth's particles rearranging themselves in the same manner they were in 1658 for instance.
 
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DarkFalz said:
My question is if it is possible for a set of particles, for instance ALL of Earth particles to rearrange themselves once more in the same configuration that they were, for instance, in the Medieval time, without a new big bang occurring meanwhile. Like in 1000 years all of Earth's particles rearranging themselves in the same manner they were in 1658 for instance.

This will never occur. Have you see anyone from A.D 1014 recently?
According to you, this battle happened recently

Also see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_universe_(fiction )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model
 
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DarkFalz said:
I was considered smaller scope situation. My question is if it is possible for a set of particles, for instance ALL of Earth particles to rearrange themselves once more in the same configuration that they were, for instance, in the Medieval time, without a new big bang occurring meanwhile. Like in 1000 years all of Earth's particles rearranging themselves in the same manner they were in 1658 for instance.

I can easily calculate the probability. Zero.
 
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ZombieFeynman said:
I can easily calculate the probability. Zero.

How?
 
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DarkFalz said:
How?

If you are 100% sure that an even will occur, the probability is ##1##. If you are 100% sure that the event will Not occur, the probability is ##0##
 
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Thanks all for participating, the question has been answered.
 

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