The importance of determinants in linear algebra.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the role and importance of determinants in linear algebra, exploring their placement in educational contexts, their applications, and whether they should be introduced early or late in the curriculum. Participants consider both theoretical and practical implications of determinants.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that determinants are emphasized in certain textbooks while being largely ignored in others, leading to questions about their importance in teaching linear algebra.
  • One participant suggests using determinants to check for linear independence of vectors and considers their role in finding inverses, but questions if methods like Gauss-Jordan or LU decomposition might be more effective.
  • Another participant highlights the use of determinants in computing areas, particularly in calculus for u-substitution in three dimensions, linking it to geometric concepts.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriate placement of the topic in a linear algebra course, with some advocating for an early introduction due to their geometric significance, while others prefer a later introduction tied to eigenvalues and characteristic polynomials.
  • One participant mentions that the computational intensity of calculating determinants may influence their teaching approach.
  • A reference is made to the book "Linear Algebra Done Right," which avoids the use of determinants until the end, suggesting an alternative pedagogical approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on when to introduce determinants in a linear algebra course, with no consensus reached on their importance or placement. Some advocate for early introduction due to geometric relevance, while others prefer a later focus tied to specific applications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying pedagogical preferences and the potential computational challenges associated with determinants, indicating that the topic's importance may depend on the specific focus of the course or the background of the students.

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In some literature on linear algebra determinants play a critical role and are emphasized in the earlier chapters. (See books by Anton & Rorres, and Lay). However in other literature it is totally ignored until the latter chapters. (See Gilbert Strang).
How much importance should we give the topic of determinants . I tend to use it to find linear independence of vectors and might extend this to finding the inverse but I think Gauss Jordan and LU might be easier for inverse. Does it have any other uses in Linear Algebra.
Are there areas where determinants are used and have a real impact? Are there any real life applications of determinants?
Is there a really good motivating example or explanation which will hook students into this topic?
 
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Determinants are used all over the place, not only in linear algebra. One of the uses of determinants that comes up a lot in my studies is its use in computing areas.

In calc 3 you learned (or will learn) that in order to do a u-substitution in 3 dimensions, you need to multiply dx by the jacobian, which is a determinant. It's the infinitesimal change of area. This idea crops up all the time in certain areas of geometry.
 
Sorry but on a linear algebra where should determinants be placed?
Like I sain in my comment - in some literature it is at the beginning whilst in others it is bolted on at the end. I like the idea of checkiing if vectors are independent by using determinants so think they should be placed before independence of vectors.
What do you think? If you teach a linear algebra course where do you place this topic.
 
I would probably put them closer to the end. Checking linear independence is nice, but then it kind of hangs around unused for a long time. You really need them when you get to eigenvalues and the characteristic polynomial.
 
Contrary to how math is typically presented, most subjects are not linear in pedagogy. Your question is about preference, and that changes with different people and authors. Personally I like to use them early because they have a very geometric description to them.
 
it depends on your focus on computations. if you want to actually compute minimal polynomials, it helps to know this theorem.
 
Computing a determinant of any real size is very computationally intensive.
 
Which Theorem are you referring to?

mathwonk said:
it depends on your focus on computations. if you want to actually compute minimal polynomials, it helps to know this theorem.
 
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The book linear algebra done right avoid the use of determinants until the very end. The proofs are done without t he determinant. If det makes you uneasy, check it out!
 

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