The Invasion of Normandy: Military Tactics & Missed Opportunities

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The discussion centers on the military tactics employed during the invasion of Normandy, particularly focusing on the effectiveness of air bombardment prior to the landing and the overall execution of the invasion strategy. Participants explore various aspects of the operation, including the challenges faced by Allied forces and the impact of weather conditions on tactical decisions.

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  • One participant questions why German bunker positions were not bombed shortly before the landing, suggesting that even limited bombing could have eased the invasion despite the known element of surprise.
  • Another participant points out that bombardment did occur, referencing sources that indicate the destruction of shore batteries, but acknowledges that poor visibility led to many bombs missing their targets.
  • It is noted that paratroop divisions were dropped haphazardly, which affected their ability to achieve objectives, and that the strategic deployment of German forces played a crucial role in the invasion's dynamics.
  • A participant shares a personal account of visiting a German base, detailing the challenges faced by paratroopers due to flooded fields and the difficulties in executing their mission, emphasizing the harsh realities of war.
  • Another participant reflects on the brutality of the invasion and the emotional toll of combat, expressing a sense of sadness over the enduring nature of warfare.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of viewpoints regarding the effectiveness of the tactics used during the invasion, with some agreeing on the challenges faced while others highlight different aspects of the operation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the military strategies employed.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations such as the impact of weather on bombing accuracy and the chaotic nature of troop deployments, which contributed to the overall complexity of the invasion.

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The invasion of Normandy was very bloody and as detailed in Saving Private Ryan very brutal with many casualties. My question is of the military tactics. The date of the invasion was secret,but why weren't the German Bunker positions bombed by allied forces just 20 minutes before the first troops landed. When our invading force was 10 miles off shore the element of surprise was over. Bombing wouldn't tell the Germans anything they didn't already know.
I know bombing wasn't nearly as accurate as it is today, but even if it knocked out a few bunkers , it might have made the invasion a little easier.
 
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I was going to say they actually did do that. I also just checked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-day

Under "Bombardment" it also says they destroyed shore batteries.
 
Thecla said:
The invasion of Normandy was very bloody and as detailed in Saving Private Ryan very brutal with many casualties. My question is of the military tactics. The date of the invasion was secret,but why weren't the German Bunker positions bombed by allied forces just 20 minutes before the first troops landed. When our invading force was 10 miles off shore the element of surprise was over. Bombing wouldn't tell the Germans anything they didn't already know.
I know bombing wasn't nearly as accurate as it is today, but even if it knocked out a few bunkers , it might have made the invasion a little easier.
The allies attempted to bomb the bunkers, but the area was overcast and the bombs fell off-target.

The air bombardment began at midnight when RAF Bomber Command attacked Caen and a number of coastal batteries. At first light 1,200 B-17s and B-24s attacked the beaches on the Calvados coast, but the poor visibility meant that the vast majority of bombs overshot their targets. A low level attack by B-26s on Utah Beach was more effective, destroying a key position at La Madeleine.
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/battles_D-Day.html#8

Some history - http://www.history.army.mil/brochures/normandy/nor-pam.htm
 
The paratroop divisions were dropped haphazardly as well, and their objectives included artillery batteries and whatnot just behind the beachhead. A lot of things didn't go as planned.

I think with an invasion of that magnitude, the "element of surprise" is less about the German troops on the shore being alerted some hours before, and more about the strategic deployment of German forces, reserve divisions etc, at the time, and how quickly they can respond in a BIG way to multiple Allied armies sweeping in from the coast.

It certainly was bloody but as I understand it, the invasion of France was fairly successful in terms of how quickly they neutralized the coastal defenses and moved inland. The Germans were overwhelmed.
 
A couple of years ago I visited an old German base near Deauville. It was a site of long range artillery that could shell the beach despite being many miles away. The RAF targeted loads of bases like this and the night before D-Day parachuted 700 men to take this one out, unfortunately the Germans had deliberately flooded nearby fields and the majority of soldiers drowned in the muddy swamp that was created.

At the rendezvous point only 100 men had made it on time. They waited another few hours but only 50 more came. They'd lost all their mortars, all their minesweepers, had one radio that didn't work but still managed to take over the base long enough to demolish all the artillery and ammo storage. It was quite an upsetting place to visit, I can't imagine someone being the age I am now parachuting in the dark only to drown.
 
Ryan_m_b said:
A couple of years ago I visited an old German base near Deauville. It was a site of long range artillery that could shell the beach despite being many miles away. The RAF targeted loads of bases like this and the night before D-Day parachuted 700 men to take this one out, unfortunately the Germans had deliberately flooded nearby fields and the majority of soldiers drowned in the muddy swamp that was created.

At the rendezvous point only 100 men had made it on time. They waited another few hours but only 50 more came. They'd lost all their mortars, all their minesweepers, had one radio that didn't work but still managed to take over the base long enough to demolish all the artillery and ammo storage. It was quite an upsetting place to visit, I can't imagine someone being the age I am now parachuting in the dark only to drown.

Indeed the phrase "War is hell" is about as close as you can come to actually describing it. I have never been in combat, and won't pretend I fully understand it. But I can imagine being in a pitched battle, where you are trying to kill the enemy, and the enemy is trying to kill you, and watching people you know die all around you. Its sad that with how far we have come, we still haven't managed to get over this part of ourselves yet.
 
Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Longest_Day_(book )
 
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