The irreducible representations of of su(2): Highest weight method

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The discussion revolves around the irreducible representations of the Lie algebra su(2) using the highest weight method. Participants are examining specific mathematical expressions and relationships within the context of representation theory, particularly focusing on the actions of certain operators and the implications of these actions on defined vectors.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the derivation of a specific expression involving the operator ##\pi(X)## and its action on vectors, questioning the assumptions made about the values of ##\lambda## and the implications of the operator's action.
  • Another participant expresses difficulties in understanding the representation's definition and points out potential mistakes in the original explanation, particularly regarding the roles of the operators ##\pi(X)## and ##\pi(H)##.
  • A third participant suggests referring to a specific page in a linked document for a clearer proof of the theorem, indicating that the original passage may be obscure.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of a particular lemma and outlines the procedure for calculating the action of the operator ##X## on the defined vectors, providing a detailed mathematical derivation.
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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the original mathematical claims and the clarity of the explanations provided. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the operators' actions or the validity of the derivations presented.

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Some participants note potential mistakes in the original claims and highlight the need for careful examination of the definitions and assumptions involved in the representation theory being discussed. Specific mathematical steps remain unresolved, contributing to the ongoing debate.

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I need to understand this passage from "An Elementary Introduction to Groups and Representations" Brian C. Hall
Hi all I need to understand the following passage from Hall link page 78 :

Some notation first:

Basis for ##sl(2;C)##:

##H=\begin{pmatrix} 1&0\\0&−1\end{pmatrix} ;X=\begin{pmatrix} 0&1\\0&0\end{pmatrix} ;Y=\begin{pmatrix} 0&0\\1&0\end{pmatrix} ##

which have the commutation relations

##[H,X] = 2X ~ ~, [H,Y] =−2Y ~ , [X,Y] =H ####π(X)## acts as the raising operator such that:

##π(H)π(X)u= (α+ 2)π(X)u ##

##π(Y)## acts as the lowering operator such that:

##π(H)π(Y)u= (α−2)π(Y)u ##

There is some N≥0 such that ##π(X)^Nu \neq 0##

but ##π(X)^{N+1}u= 0 ##

We define ##u_0=π(X)^Nu ## then

##(H)u_0=λu_0##

##π(X)u_0= 0 ##
Now, by definition

##u_{k+1}=π(Y)u_k##

Using ##π(H)u_k= (λ−2k)u_k## and induction we have##π(X)u_{k+1}=π(X)π(Y)u_{k}
\\= (π(Y)π(X) +π(H))u_k
\\=π(Y) [kλ−k(k−1)]u_{k−1}+ (λ−2k)u_k
\\= [kλ−k(k−1) + (λ−2k)]u_k##I don't understand how to get ##kλ−k(k−1)]## at the third passage and why ## (λ−2k)u_k## should be zero to get

##π(X)u_{k+1}= [kλ−k(k−1)]u_k##.
 
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I have difficulties to understand how the representation is finally defined. There seem to be some mistakes in what you have written. E.g. the lines where you explain the action of ##\pi(X)## is actually the description of ##\pi(H)##, which leaves ##\pi(X).u## invariant. And I do not see where ##k^2## comes from, and ##(\lambda - 2k)u_k## isn't zero, why should it be?

I hope I gave a better description of the theorem here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/lie-algebras-a-walkthrough-the-representations/
 
please read page 77 of the pdf at the link...the full proof is laid out... the theorem is clear and I don't see mistakes yet that passage to prove the lemma is obscure. Wikipedia refers to that book...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_theory_of_SU(2) ...
"Weights and the structure of the representation"
 
So the key is Lemma 5.11. I will omit the ##\pi## and write shortly ##\pi(X)(v)=X.v##.

As always, let us list what we have:
##u_0:=X^N.u## such that ##H.u_0=\lambda u_0=(2N+\alpha)u_0## and ##X.u_0=0\,.##
##u_k:=Y^k.u_0## and thus ##H.u_k=(\lambda-2k)u_k\,.##

The only equation which is used repeatedly is ##A.B.v=[A,B].v+B.A.v## where ##[A,B]=C## is known, so ##A.B.v=C.v+B.A.v## This is the general procedure. In Lemma 5.11. we want to know, what ##X.u_k## is.

##X.u_0 = 0## per definition of ##u_0\,.##
## X.u_1=X.Y^1.u_0= [X,Y].u_0+Y.X.u_0= H.u_0+Y.0=\lambda u_0 \,.##
Now per induction we have
\begin{align*}
X.u_{k+1}&=X.Y^{k+1}.u_0 =X.Y.(Y^k.u_0)=[X,Y].(Y^k.u_0) +Y.X.(Y^k.u_0)\\
&=H.Y^k.u_0+Y.(X.Y^k.u_0)=H.u_k+Y.(X.u_k)\\&=(\lambda-2k)u_k+[k\lambda-k(k-1)]Y.u_{k-1}\\
&=\left(\lambda - 2k + k \cdot \lambda - k^2 +k\right)u_k\\&=\left[(k+1)\lambda - k^2 - k\right]u_k\\
&=\left[(k+1)\lambda - (k+1)k\right]u_k
\end{align*}
 
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It was so obvious...Thank you for your help and I will read your insight.
 
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