The most misleading stereotypes about physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the misconceptions and stereotypes associated with physics and physicists, exploring how the general public perceives the personalities, theories, and goals of the field. Participants share various stereotypes, some of which extend beyond physics to include general scientific misconceptions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the general public lacks awareness of physics and its practitioners, suggesting that there may not even be a prevalent stereotype.
  • Others highlight specific misconceptions, such as the belief that all scientists use the scientific method uniformly or that there is no gravity in space.
  • Several participants mention stereotypes regarding physicists' appearances and social skills, describing them as "skinny or fat out-of-shape geeks" lacking social skills.
  • There are claims that physicists are often overshadowed by biologists and chemists in popular culture, leading to a perception of physicists as obscure.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the portrayal of scientists in media, questioning the accuracy of representations and suggesting that they often reinforce negative stereotypes.
  • Discussions also touch on the idea that children might draw physicists similarly to chemists, indicating a lack of distinct identity in public perception.
  • Participants share humorous takes on the stereotypes, including the image of scientists wearing white lab coats and having eccentric appearances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reveals multiple competing views regarding public perceptions of physicists and the validity of various stereotypes. There is no consensus on the accuracy or prevalence of these stereotypes, and participants express differing opinions on the implications of these misconceptions.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect personal anecdotes or observations, which may not represent broader trends. The discussion includes speculative claims about public perceptions and media portrayals that are not substantiated by empirical evidence.

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How does the general public most misconstrue the personalities, theories, observations, achievements and goals of physics?
 
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You're too optimistic. The general public isn't aware of the personalities, theories, observations, achievements, or goals of physics. We'd be lucky to even have a stereotype for our field...
 
You're too optimistic. The general public isn't aware of the personalities, theories, observations, achievements, or goals of physics. We'd be lucky to even have a stereotype for our field...

*cough* What the BLEEP?! *cough*

I'd call that a serious misrepresentation of quantum physics, and it's not the first time quantum's been used for spiritual purposes. "Quantum physics proves (insert new age crap) works!"
 
Insignificant fringe crackpots.
 
Evolution is "just a theory"

Edit: Not physics but still...

I guess it could work for the big bang as well.
 
I think one of them is the scientific method. That every scientist uses scientific method to test out his idea and do the experiment. Another one is that there is no gravity in space <- this one I heard personally from my history teacher.
 
Skinny or fat out-of-shape geeks with no social skills or life. I'm not even close to being a physicist yet, but damnit when I am, I'll also be a natural pro bodybuilder with social skills and a life.
 
dav2008 said:
Evolution is "just a theory"

Edit: Not physics but still...

I guess it could work for the big bang as well.

Biologists are orders of magnitude better-known than physicsts. Marine biologists are portrayed by movie actors. So are zoologists. And that gorilla lady. In contrast, the general public isn't really sure what 'physics' is, or perhaps never heard of it. The best we can do is call ourselves "scientists" and leech off of the popularity of others.
 
heartless said:
I think one of them is the scientific method. That every scientist uses scientific method to test out his idea and do the experiment. Another one is that there is no gravity in space <- this one I heard personally from my history teacher.

Scientific method? You mean there's a method behind the 'mad scientist' persona? Again, far too optimistic.
 
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via Cosmic Variance:
The Science Learning Centre in London asked 11,000 pupils for their views on science and scientists. Around 70% of the 11-15 year olds questioned said they did not picture scientists as “normal young and attractive men and women”...
 
  • #11
Beeza said:
Skinny or fat out-of-shape geeks with no social skills or life.

Actually, to a large degree this is true.
 
  • #12
Rach3 said:
Actually, to a large degree this is true.

A friend of mine went to this SPS conference this semeseter and he said it was just geeks geeks geeks... and then our university half drunk.
 
  • #13
Oh i got one

They all wear white coats
 
  • #14
Beeza said:
Skinny or fat out-of-shape geeks with no social skills or life [...]

Reveal me your astonishing way of life, oh master :rolleyes:

Scientific method? You mean there's a method behind the 'mad scientist' persona? Again, far too optimistic.

Yepp, every REAL scientists must use a secret method when conducting his experiment. I'd rather say scientific method taught in h-schools is depressing than optimistic :biggrin:
 
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heartless said:
Yepp, every REAL scientists must use a secret method when conducting his experiment. I'd rather say scientific method taught in h-schools is depressing than optimistic :biggrin:

This is speculation on your part. Point me a single movie reference in which scientists are portrayed as rational, methodical empiricists.
 
  • #16
Pengwuino said:
Oh i got one

They all wear white coats

Again, that's a scientist stereotype, not a physicist stereotype. Chemists do were white lab coats, universally. Physicsts never do. Not even experimentalists.

I'll point this out again - Biologists are extremely popular (by our standards). Chemists have their existence acknowledged. Physicsts are just plain obscure.
 
  • #17
Shut up, it works
 
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Rach3 said:
This is speculation on your part. Point me a single movie reference in which scientists are portrayed as rational, methodical empiricists.

here's a single one you've asked for: The Scientific Method DVD (2004)
(please don't ask for any more references :-p )
 
  • #19
Current science stories in http://today.reuters.com/news/newsChannel.aspx?type=scienceNews. Zero physicsts!

New Orleans sinking - geophysics, soil scientists
Indonesian skulls - anthropology, evolution, archaeology
Space shuttle launch - politicans (and some oppressed engineers...)
Prehistoric cave ecosystem - biologists, marine biology
Mona Lisa - forensics
Arctic sediment core - geologists
Wind turbines & birds - biologistsAs the evidence shows, soil scientists are sexy. Physicists aren't.
 
  • #20
heartless said:
here's a single one you've asked for: The Scientific Method DVD (2004)
(please don't ask for any more references :-p )

Educational material. Pathetic attempt. That's as much a cultural reference as "Goldstein's Classical Mechanics".
 
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it's because physicists had done the job and work to open all of the mentioned fields to the geo-scientists.
Physicists are driven by intelligence and don't care about skulls from *billions years ago...* as that wouldn't benefit them in any way. If there were no phycists your spacecraft would have never been launched, nor you wouldn't be able to discover the underground cave ecosystem, test the age of the skull, and do other things.
The evidence shows that physicists are more sexy than sexy soil scientists.
 
  • #22
heartless said:
Physicists are driven by intelligence and don't care about skulls from *billions years ago...* as that wouldn't benefit them in any way.
:rolleyes:
What a fantastically narrow-minded worldview.
 
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Rach3 said:
:rolleyes:
What a fantastically narrow-minded worldview.

How would a skull benefit a physicist?
 
  • #24
It keeps his brain from being squished.
 
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ok, and how would somebody else's skull benefit a physicist?
 
  • #26
Rach3 said:
It keeps his brain from being squished.

:smile: :smile:
 
  • #27
heartless said:
ok, and how would somebody else's skull benefit a physicist?

Extra protection.
 
  • #28
Rach3 said:
Again, that's a scientist stereotype, not a physicist stereotype. Chemists do were white lab coats, universally. Physicsts never do. Not even experimentalists.
That's why it's a misleading stereotype. I think if you asked a kid to draw a picture of a physicist, they'd draw the same thing as if you asked them to draw a picture of a chemist, except the chemist would be holding some bubbling flask, and the physicist would have a telescope (yes, another stereotype, that all physicists do is stare at the stars all day...erm...night).
 
  • #29
Moonbear said:
That's why it's a misleading stereotype. I think if you asked a kid to draw a picture of a physicist, they'd draw the same thing as if you asked them to draw a picture of a chemist, except the chemist would be holding some bubbling flask, and the physicist would have a telescope (yes, another stereotype, that all physicists do is stare at the stars all day...erm...night).

I always thought physicists worked with bubbly chemicals too when i was a kid.
 
  • #30
Rach3 said:
Extra protection.

Implementation of 2 skulls in one person is quite impossible due to differet sizes and shapes of skulls
 

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