The Perpendicular Subspace of R^n: What is it and How is it Defined?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the perpendicular subspace (S-perp) of R^n, particularly focusing on its definition and properties. Participants are exploring the relationship between a given subspace S and its orthogonal complement, S-perp, while addressing the requirements for S-perp to be considered a subspace itself.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to clarify the definition of S-perp and its properties, questioning whether the problem is straightforward or requires deeper proof. There is a discussion on the criteria needed to establish that S-perp is a subspace, including the presence of the zero vector and closure under addition and scalar multiplication.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided examples and insights into the nature of S-perp, while others are questioning the understanding of subspace definitions. There is an ongoing exploration of the necessary conditions for S-perp to be classified as a subspace of R^n, with no clear consensus yet on the completeness of the arguments presented.

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Participants are navigating potential confusion regarding the terminology and definitions related to subspaces and orthogonality. There is an emphasis on ensuring that all properties of subspaces are adequately addressed in the context of the problem.

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The terminology in this question confuses me into what I am actually trying to solve. It seems to me that S-perp would naturally be a subspace of real column vectors based on the fact that we specify that S\neq0. It goes on to mention that S-perp is nonempty which seems obvious in the fact that S is not empty and it asks to show that any scalar multiples of vectors within the subset of S-perp will continue to be elements of S-perp.

So I've reached the thought that either
1) This question is ridiculously simply that intends for me to re-state the obvious or
2) I've missed something completely and it actually requires a long proof. Any insights?
 
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Here's an example that might give you some insight. Consider R2, and S = {(x, y) | y = 0}. Sperp = {(x, y) | x = 0}. Each element of Sperp in this example is orthogonal to each element of S, and further, it can be shown that Sperp of this example is a subspace of R2.

Your problem is similar. You need to show that your Sperp is a subspace of Rn, which means you need to show the following:
  1. Sperp contains the 0 vector.
  2. If u and v are in Sperp, then u + v is also in Sperp.
  3. If u is in Sperp and c is a scalar, then cu is in Sperp.
 
Thank you for your assistance. I believe I have constructed a response that is adequate by proving the vectors x,u,v to be elements of S-perp by continually showing that the dot product of the vectors with y (being an element of S) to equal 0 showing orthogonality showing them to be an element of S-perp.
 
Shambles said:
Thank you for your assistance. I believe I have constructed a response that is adequate by proving the vectors x,u,v to be elements of S-perp by continually showing that the dot product of the vectors with y (being an element of S) to equal 0 showing orthogonality showing them to be an element of S-perp.
That's not going to cut it. All you have shown (based on your description) is that the vectors x, u, and v are in Sperp; you haven't shown that Sperp is a subspace of Rn. To do that, you need to show the three things I listed in my previous post.
 
Shambles, do you know what a subspace is, or more precisely, how it is defined? That seems to be the problem.
 

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