The Physics of a Black Hole Merger: What Happens to Mass?

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The discussion centers around the hypothetical scenario of a black hole composed entirely of antimatter merging with a black hole made of normal matter. Participants explore the implications of such a merger on mass, energy release, and the nature of black holes, referencing concepts like the no hair theorem and particle annihilation.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a merger of an antimatter black hole with a normal matter black hole would result in mass loss due to annihilation producing gamma rays.
  • Another participant asserts that the merger would simply result in a larger black hole, citing the no hair theorem which suggests no distinction between black holes based on their constituent matter.
  • It is proposed that even if gamma rays are produced, they would remain trapped within the black hole.
  • A humorous claim is made regarding the "lots of hair theorem" and a fictional scenario involving Klingons, which appears to divert from the scientific discussion.
  • One participant discusses the concept of energy release from particle annihilation as the black holes approach, suggesting observable effects on the event horizon before the merger occurs.
  • Another participant challenges the idea of "black holes of opposite matter," reinforcing that the no hair theorem implies black holes are defined solely by mass, charge, and angular momentum, without distinction between matter and antimatter.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the analogy of particle annihilation does not apply to black holes, reiterating that there is no physical basis for the concept of antimatter black holes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the implications of merging black holes made of different types of matter. Some support the idea that the merger would lead to a larger black hole without mass loss, while others propose scenarios involving energy release and changes to the event horizon. The discussion remains unresolved with competing views on the nature of black holes and their interactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the no hair theorem and particle annihilation without reaching a consensus on how these concepts apply to the hypothetical scenario. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of black holes and the implications of merging different types of matter.

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What would happen if a black hole made entirely from anti-matter merges with another black hole made from normal matter?
What would happen if a black hole made entirely from anti-matter merges with another black hole made from normal matter? Since most of the product left over from the annihilation is in the form of light (gamma rays) would the black hole lose mass?
 
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You would just get a bigger black hole. The no hair theorem implies that there is no distinction between black holes made from different constituents.
 
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Even if the gamma rays were created, they would still be stuck in the black hole.
 
Dale said:
The no hair theorem. . .
Only applies to Picard. . .

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In this situation, the lots of hair theorem would apply. . .

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The simple fact is. . . the Klingons would abscond with it to power their warp core. Trust me! .
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I thought that the joining of an anti-matter particle with a normal particle of the same mass results in 0 mass, and the energy released is ##2mc^2## where m is the mass of each particle.
So as 2 black holes of opposite matter approach each other, we should start to see energy release caused by anti-particle collisions with normal particles before their event horizons meet.
The event horizon would expand and change shape as the holes approach into a sort of bulging tube linking the 2 holes. Matter annihilation could be seen on the surface of the event horizon and beyond, until the holes merge unceremoniously.
 
Edwina Lee said:
2 black holes of opposite matter
. There is no such thing. As I mentioned above the no hair theorem doesn’t permit this. Black holes have only mass, charge, and angular momentum. There is no matter vs antimatter distinction for black holes.
 
This is what you said in #2: "You would just get a bigger black hole. The no hair theorem implies that there is no distinction between black holes made from different constituents. "

Could you now explain why what you said is in conflict with what I said in #5:
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I thought that the joining of an anti-matter particle with a normal particle of the same mass results in 0 mass, and the energy released is 2mc2 where m is the mass of each particle.
So as 2 black holes of opposite matter approach each other, we should start to see energy release caused by anti-particle collisions with normal particles before their event horizons meet.
The event horizon would expand and change shape as the holes approach into a sort of bulging tube linking the 2 holes. Matter annihilation could be seen on the surface of the event horizon and beyond, until the holes merge unceremoniously.
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Edwina Lee said:
Could you now explain why what you said is in conflict with what I said in #5:
Yes.

Edwina Lee said:
the joining of an anti-matter particle with a normal particle of the same mass results in ...
So as 2 black holes of opposite matter
The problem is that the analogy is false. Matter and antimatter particles do annihilate, but there is no such thing as an antimatter-black hole. It doesn’t make a difference if your black hole was originally formed using matter, antimatter, or even formed using only photons. The no hair theorem states that the black hole is the same, regardless of how it was formed or what source material was used in its formation.

A particle annihilates with an anti-particle, but there is no corresponding distinction for black holes. There simply are no “black holes of opposite matter”, so no description of how they behave is physically sensible.
 
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