The Planck length and string theory

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The discussion revolves around the implications of the Planck length in string theory, particularly regarding the assumptions made by theorists about gravitational laws at sub-Planck scales. Participants explore the relationship between quantum mechanics, general relativity, and the significance of the Planck length in theoretical physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that string theorists assume gravitational laws extend to sub-Planck lengths, questioning the justifiability of this assumption.
  • There is a reference to Brian Greene's book "The Elegant Universe," which discusses the Planck length but is critiqued as a non-academic source.
  • One participant notes that the Planck length defines a length scale that correlates with an energy scale, suggesting that new physics may emerge at these short distances where gravitational effects become significant.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for valid sources in discussions about string theory, indicating that pop science literature may not be appropriate for rigorous debate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of using popular science literature as a basis for discussion, and there is no consensus on the assumptions regarding gravitational laws at sub-Planck lengths.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the reliance on non-peer-reviewed sources and the lack of resolution regarding the assumptions about gravitational laws at very small scales.

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String theorists frame much of their studies in the context of Planck length. The theories are meant to fold together QM and general relativity. The equation for Planck length includes the gravitational constant, G. It seems to me the theorists are assuming the gravitational laws extend to the sub-Planck length and are trying to force the conclusions along those lines. Is this considered justifiable by physicists/mathematicians?

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john t said:
. It seems to me the theorists are assuming the gravitational laws extend to the sub-Planck length and are trying to force the conclusions along those lines.

Why do you think this is what they are doing?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Why do you think this is what they are doing?
Brian Greene, in his book "The Elegant Universe" couches all the arguments around the Planck Length. He is a physicist/mathematician at Columbia U.
 
And this book is not a textbook, so you can't draw any conclusion from that. Pop-sci books are made for entertainment, if you want to really learn something you have to use textbooks.
 
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The Planck length defines a length scale, this in turn, because of the units used, defines an energy scale. At these very short distances new physics is thought to come into play and the gravitational effect becomes comparable to the other forces. I know this is waffling but you haven't received much of an answer so far, so this will give people something to argue about. :-)

Cheers
 
john t said:
Brian Greene, in his book "The Elegant Universe"

Which, as has been noted, is a pop science book, not a textbook or peer-reviewed paper. So it's not a valid source for discussion here at PF.

If you want to support your claim about string theory you will have to find a valid source. In the meantime, this thread is closed.
 
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