The Point of Series/Convergence?

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Jammin_James
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Point
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the purpose and applications of infinite series and convergence, particularly in the context of mathematical functions. Participants explore theoretical and practical implications, including specific examples like Taylor and Fourier series.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the broader significance of series and convergence despite performing well academically.
  • Another participant explains that infinite series can represent functions, questioning the existence of the series at specific points.
  • It is noted that series allow for the representation of complex functions as sums of simpler functions, facilitating easier manipulation.
  • A specific example is provided involving the solution to the differential equation y' = y, illustrating how Taylor series can be used to express solutions.
  • The discussion includes the extension of functions to complex numbers and matrices using series, with a detailed derivation of the series for e^{bi} leading to the relationship with cosine and sine.
  • A participant acknowledges their understanding after the explanations, indicating a shift in their perspective.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the initial participant's concerns, but there is a general agreement on the utility of series in representing functions and solving equations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the familiarity with mathematical concepts such as Taylor series and complex numbers, which may not be universally shared among all participants.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in the applications of infinite series in mathematics, particularly in relation to functions, differential equations, and complex analysis may find this discussion beneficial.

Jammin_James
Messages
49
Reaction score
0
Could someone please explain to me what the point of all of this material is? What is it used for? I know it's used for something, but I'm having trouble seeing the "bigger picture" I guess. I'm doing well on quizzes or w/e... but it feels like I'm missing something here.

I liked everything before this point and liked it's applications, but I can't seem to appreciate this material and it's bothering me a bit.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Infinite series are used to represent functions often. One immediate point is whether the series actually exists at a given point.

Taylor series and Fourier series are two examples
 
Series, in general, whether Taylor's series, or Fourier series, give us a way of representing complicated functions a sums of simpler functions, then working with just the simpler individual terms of the series.

Here's a simple example of their use.

Solve y'= y with y(0)= 1.

Okay, we know that y(0)= 1 and, since y'= y, y'(0)= y(0)= 1. Differentiating both sides of the equation, y"= y' so y"(0)= y'(0)= 1. Differentiating again, y"'= y" so y"'= y"(-0)= 1. It should be easy to see that that leads to the nth derivative of y at x=0 equal to 0 for all n. That's only at x= 0, not other x, but now we can say, from the Taylor's series, that [itex]y(x)= y(0)+ y'(0)x+ (1/2)y"(0)x^2+ (1/6)y"'(0)x^3...= 1+ x+ (1/2)x^2+ (1/6)x^3+ ...[/itex] and we now know y as a series expanion. If we happened to have found the Taylor's series earlier for [itex]e^x[/itex] and recognize that this is the same thing, then we no that [itex]y(x)= e^x[/itex] satisfies that but even if it is not, we have a solution none the less.

Another important application is to extend functions to other "number systems" like the complex numbers or even matrices.

I know how to add and multiply complex numbers and matrices but what would [itex]e^x[/itex] be for x a complex number or a matrix?

Well, I know that the McLaurin series for [itex]e^x[/itex] is [itex]1+ x+ (1/2)x^3+ (1/6)x^3+ ...+ (1/n!) x^n+ ...[/itex] and that only involves multiplication and addition!

[tex]e^{bi}= 1+ bi+ (1/2)(bi)^2+ (1/6)(bi)^3+ ...+ (1/n!)(bi)^n+ ...[/tex]

Now, it is not too hard to see that [itex]i^2= -1[/itex], [itex]i^3= -i[/itex], [itex]i^4= 1[/itex] and then it starts over again: the powers of i are: 1, i, -1, -i, 1, i, -1, -i, 1, ...

So
[tex]e^{bi}= 1+ bi- (1/2)b^2- (1/6)ib^3+ ...[/tex]

Or, separating real and imaginary parts,
[tex]e^{bi}= 1- (1/2)b^2+ (1/4!)b^4- (1/6!)b^6+ ...+ i(b- (1/6)b^3+ (1/5!)b^6- (1/7!)b^7+ ...)[/itex]<br /> <br /> And, having studied series, we recognize those two series as being the power series for cosine and sine at x= 0. Thus:<br /> [tex]e^{bi}= cos(b)+ i sin(b)[/tex].<br /> <br /> Looks pretty useful to me![/tex]
 
Tyvm, I guess I'm not really missing anything XD.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K