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The discussion revolves around a problem from Rudin's Real and Complex Analysis concerning the support of a regular Borel measure on a compact Hausdorff space. The original poster is tasked with proving the existence of a compact set whose measure is 1, while every proper compact subset has a measure less than 1.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the hint provided in the problem, exploring how the intersection of compact sets with measure 1 relates to the measure of open sets containing them. There are attempts to clarify the conditions under which the measure of intersections holds and how regularity plays a role.

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The conversation has progressed with participants sharing insights and partial solutions. Some have articulated their reasoning regarding the measure properties and the implications of the hint, while others have noted the challenges in proving certain aspects. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, and participants are actively engaging with the material.

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Participants note the importance of regularity in the measure and discuss specific examples, such as the Lebesgue measure on the interval [0,1], to illustrate their points. There is mention of the forum's rules requiring participants to show some attempt at solving the problem before receiving assistance.

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[SOLVED] The "support" of a measure

Posting a problem like this might help me get off my arse. This is #11 / chapter 2 of Rudin's Real and Complex Analysis.

Homework Statement



Let m be a regular Borel measure on a compact Hausdorff space X, assume m(X) = 1. Prove that there is a compact K \subseteq X (the support of m) such that m(K) = 1 but m(H) < 1 for every proper compact subset H of K.

Hint (given by Rudin): Let K be the intersection of all compact K_a such that m(K_a) = 1; show that every open set V which contains K also contains some K_a. Regularity of m is needed.

Homework Equations



A measure m is "regular" if the following two conditions hold for every measurable E:
(1) m(E) = inf{m(V): V is an open set containing E}
(2) m(E) = sup{m(K): K is a compact subset of E}

The Attempt at a Solution



,,, work in progress

Edit: "support of X" corrected to read "support of m"
 
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The rules of the forum are that you must show some attempt at solving the problem before anyone can help you. Just kidding :). But, seriously, without a start, we still don't how far you got before you ran into a problem. Off your arse yet?
 
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Kind of the opposite.. after posting I took a nap.

The only things I can say so far is that given the hint is correct then it's not hard to show the constructed K satisfies the hypothesis...
Because m(K) = inf{m(V): V open contains K}, and since each such V contains a K_a, we have m(V) >= m(K_a) = 1, hence m(K) = 1. Then if C is any proper compact subset of K, then K is not a subset of C, hence m(C) < 1.

But as for proving the hint, I haven't figured anything out yet!
 
Another point is that since m(X) = 1, whenever A,B are subsets such that m(A) = 1, m(B) = 1, then m(A \cap B) = 1, because m(A^c \cup B^c) = 0. It follows that every finite intersection of {K_a} is not empty (has measure 1), hence K is not empty. (But it does not follow directly that m(K) = 1, although that is what I'm trying to show...)
 
Also sometimes it helps to look at an example... but the simple example of Lebesgue measure on X = [0,1] does not seem to help much.. If K_a is a compact subset of [0,1] such that m(K_a) = 1, then [0,1]-K_a is an open subset of measure 0: hence [0,1] - K_a is empty.

In other words, [0,1] is the only compact subset of X with measure 1. So K = [0,1] in this case, so it is obvious. So I don't see any help in the general case here.
 
OK I got it! This is a good example of how easy a problem looks after seeing it's solution...

Again, let X be compact with m(X) = 1, let {K_a} be all the compacts such that m(K_a) = 1, and let K be the intersection, and let V be an open set containing K.
Then \cap K_a \subseteq V \Rightarrow V^c \subseteq \cup K_a^c, hence \{ K_a^c \} is an open cover of compact V^c, so has a finite subcover {K_1^c,...,K_n^c}. Thus K_1 \cap ... \cap K_n \subseteq V. But as described above, a finite intersection of K_a's has measure 1 (and is compact), and that does it for proving the hint, and as described above, the problem.

I didn't see the solution to this problem until I considered an equivalent formulation:

Let {U_a} be the set of all open sets (in X above) such that m(U_a) = 0, and let U be the union of the U_a's. Then m(U) = 0. To prove this, show for any closed C \subseteq U, that you must have C \subseteq U_a for some a. (That is where I realized you could use compactness...)

Edit: one more remark, is that the "regularity is needed" particularly in applying the hint to proving the statement of the problem. And I discussed that in the first reply to Dick.
 
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Guess you didn't need TOO much help then.
 

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