The Rocket Equation: Unraveling the Mystery

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The discussion revolves around the rocket equation and the assumptions related to the velocity of exhaust and the behavior of the rocket in space. Participants are exploring the implications of constant mass flow rate and the resulting forces acting on the rocket.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are examining the assumption of constant exhaust velocity and its implications for the rocket's acceleration and the observer's perspective within the rocket. Questions are raised about how the propellant's velocity is perceived by an observer on the accelerating rocket.

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The discussion is active, with participants clarifying concepts and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the rocket and the exhaust, and there is a recognition of the importance of asking questions for understanding.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the effects of changing mass on the rocket's acceleration and the assumptions made in deriving the rocket equation. Participants are reflecting on their understanding and the dynamics involved in the rocket's motion.

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In deriving the rocket equation, there is one part I don't understand. The velocity of exhaust with respect to the body is assumed to be constant, where:

v(exhaust wrt body)=v(exhaust wrt inertial)-v(body wrt inertial)

So assuming a constant mass flow rate, the rocket propellant exerts a constant force on the rocket and hence in space, uniform acceleration. But how can an observer on the accelerating rocket observe the rocket propellant being ejected with a constant velocity?
 
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adphysics said:
... the rocket propellant exerts a constant force on the rocket and hence in space, uniform acceleration.
This is not correct. The mass of the rocket decreases at a rate equal to the exhaust mass rate. The constant exhaust velocity should be w.r.t the rocket.
 
Oops. So assuming a constant mass flow rate the propellant exerts a constant force on the rocket so the rocket's acceleration increases as follows:

a(t)=F[1/m(t)] where F is a constant (until fuel runs out) where m(t) is the mass of the rocket at time t.

m(t)=m(initial)-bt where b is a constant (mass flow rate)

Hence v_rocket(t)=-Fln(m(t))/b assuming v(0)=0

But why would an observer in the rocket observe a constant propellant velocity?
 
adphysics said:
... why would an observer in the rocket observe a constant propellant velocity?
Because the propelling mechanism is in the rocket.
 
Oh, yeah. The engine is on the back of the rocket, so it accelerates with the rocket, so if an engine ejects exhaust at a velocity v, then this is what is observed from the rocket's point of view.

Now I feel somewhat embarrassed, but at least the rocket equation makes sense now.
 
adphysics said:
Now I feel somewhat embarrassed, ...
You should not. No one knows everything. You should only feel embarrassed if you refuse to ask a question out of fear of sounding stupid. Don't let your transient embarrasment prevent your permanent understanding:
adphysics said:
... the rocket equation makes sense now.
Have fun learning.
 

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