The Secrets of Shark Immune Systems

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The discussion revolves around the immune systems of sharks, exploring their unique characteristics and potential applications for human health. Participants examine the genetic, physiological, and medicinal aspects of shark immunity, including comparisons to human immune systems and the feasibility of incorporating shark traits into human medicine.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that sharks have near perfect immune systems, prompting questions about the genetic mechanisms behind this and the potential for human applications.
  • Others highlight the challenges of gene therapy, noting that genes interact in complex ways and that single genes are not solely responsible for immune responses.
  • One participant suggests that medication-based treatments could be an alternative to gene therapy for enhancing human immunity.
  • There is mention of specific organs in sharks, such as the epigonal organ and Leydig's organ, which may play roles in their immune system, though their functions are not fully understood.
  • Some participants reference anecdotal evidence, such as sharks reportedly not getting sick and being resistant to diseases like cancer and anthrax.
  • A later reply introduces the idea of using a virus for gene therapy, although this is noted as potentially speculative.
  • One participant argues that the differences between sharks and humans, including anatomical and physiological traits, make direct incorporation of shark immune traits into humans unlikely.
  • There is a suggestion that studying shark immune systems could lead to therapies or medicines that benefit human health, rather than direct genetic incorporation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the feasibility of applying shark immune traits to humans. While some agree on the uniqueness of shark immunity, others emphasize the complexities and differences that may hinder direct applications.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding the full functions of shark immune organs and the complexities of gene interactions in both sharks and humans. There is also uncertainty regarding the effectiveness and reliability of gene therapy.

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From what i remember. Sharks have near perfect immune systems.

my question. Why don't scientists try to figure out genetically how this works and try to incorporate it into our immune system.
 
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Scientists have found out a lot about immune deficiencies in humans. However incorporation of genes known to be helpful, termed gene therapy", is not very consistent and reliable. This means that changing genes is very difficult. Also a single gene, as important as it maybe, is not usually solely responsible for phenotypes or the physical physiological result. A gene is a participant in a genetic circuit and the way it interacts with other gene products in a spatial (cell to cell, compartment to compartment) and temporal (different developmental states) manner are not yet understood.
 
You don't have to go to gene-therapy, you could also think of medication based treatments.

Munky, why do you think that sharks have near perfect immune systems?

I do know that they lack some kind of disease, because they cannot make bone out of cartilige. In humans that disease does exist, with every injury they convert cartilige to bone and end up losing flexibility. The scientists turned to sharks to understand the phenomenon, I forgot what the outcome was.
 
Monique said:
You don't have to go to gene-therapy, you could also think of medication based treatments.

Munky, why do you think that sharks have near perfect immune systems?

I do know that they lack some kind of disease, because they cannot make bone out of cartilige. In humans that disease does exist, with every injury they convert cartilige to bone and end up losing flexibility. The scientists turned to sharks to understand the phenomenon, I forgot what the outcome was.

Well i remember watching a show on the discovery channel, it was like shark week. and in the show the commentator said that this shark is 4 years old and has never been sick. and then went on about how sharks immune systems are very very good.

Since then I've also read that sharks are very well shielded against cancer. and things like anthrax and such things that should kill sharks doesnt.

As for
However incorporation of genes known to be helpful, termed gene therapy", is not very consistent and reliable.
well i dunno, this might be sci-fi but what about using a virus that is recoded to do the gene therapy.
 
munky99999 said:
From what i remember. Sharks have near perfect immune systems.
my question. Why don't scientists try to figure out genetically how this works and try to incorporate it into our immune system.

From what I have read, sharks do have an immune system that is rather similar to ours and sometime touted as "better", however there are some significant differences bwteen our two species. Most sharks have two additional organs that are believed to be part of their specialized immune system. These two organs are the epigonal organ and Leydig's organ. Little research as been done regarding the full function of these organs, but they appear to be involved in leucocyte formation and T-cell maturation/differentiation. It makes sense that their immune system is different since elasmobranchs (sharks, skates, rays) do not have bones which are the site for production of blood and immune cells in other animals. As far as making humans systems more like sharks and potentially benefiting from such a change, it's unlikely it would work. To begin with, the shark in general is very different from other fishes, let alone humans. As mentioned in this thread they are cartilaginous fish and have no calcium-based bones, they do not have swim bladders but rather use large lipid deposits in the liver to maintain bouyancy. Waste generation and ion-balance is handled very differently in sharks than it is in other marine fish. It is probably a critical mass achieved by all these characteristics that leads the shark to have a "better" immune system than humans. We would be more likely to gain from studies that examine the shark's systems and develop therapies/medicines that we can then adapt/use to benefit human health.
 

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