The spin-flavor wavefunction of Sigma+

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The discussion revolves around the construction of the spin-flavor wavefunction for the baryon ##\Sigma_+##, starting from the quark content of the proton. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, including SU(3) flavor symmetry, and share challenges related to determining the appropriate flavor and spin states for ##\Sigma_+##. The conversation includes references to various texts and derivations related to baryon wavefunctions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on writing the spin-flavor wavefunction for ##\Sigma_+##, expressing confusion over the flavor and spin states.
  • Another participant questions the use of SU(3) flavor symmetry and suggests that the quark content for ##\Sigma_+## should be ##uus##.
  • A participant indicates difficulty understanding the derivation of the proton wavefunction and requests clearer resources.
  • One participant mentions successfully using Thomson's book to understand the proton wavefunction derivation and intends to apply that knowledge to ##\Sigma_+##.
  • Concerns are raised about the symmetry of the wavefunction, with one participant noting that it appears symmetric but should be mixed symmetric.
  • There is a discussion about the symmetric and antisymmetric combinations of quark states, with references to specific combinations for the flavor states.
  • Participants reference a paper for simple spin-flavor wavefunctions for baryons, with one providing a citation for clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the symmetry properties of the wavefunction and the appropriate combinations of quark states. There is no consensus on the best approach to construct the wavefunction for ##\Sigma_+##, and several competing ideas are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over the derivation processes and the definitions of symmetric and antisymmetric states. The discussion highlights the complexity of combining quark flavors and spins, with unresolved assumptions regarding the wavefunction's symmetry.

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Hi, guys.

If I want to write the spin-flavor wavefunction of ##\Sigma_+## starting only from knowing that the quark content of the proton is ##uud##, how can I procced?
I started by applying the ladder operators in order to get the baryon octet vertexes. I am now having problems with:
  1. determining the flavor wavefunction for the center octet states (including ##\Sigma_+##).
  2. determining the spin wavefunction for ##\Sigma_+##. Even if I suppose that the its spin state is ##|1/2,1/2\rangle##, there is more than one way for this to happen when we combine 3 spin 1/2 quarks...
Does anyone know a text where I can find something like this done in a comprehensive and detailed way? Or, alternatively, can you tell me a way to do it?
 
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Aren't sigma baryons strange ones? Are you using an SU(3) flavor symmetry?
As for the quarks they would be uus ? If you have more than 1 combination then you write them all, as you did for the proton [when you had the mixed symmetric states].
the flavor states can be obtained in a similar way by combining u,u and s.
 
The problem is that I did not understand the derivation of the proton wavefunction also: I found Griffiths, and for that matter every other text I found on the subject, quite confusing. Do you happen to know a place where it is clearly and thoroughly explained?
 
Using Thomson's book I understood the derivation of the proton spin-flavour wavefunction. I will try to apply what I learned to this case.
 
what is confusing?
 
ChrisVer said:
what is confusing?

To make myself clear, I posted my attempt. I arrived at the correct wavefunction, but I have a problem with it: even though it seems symmetric, I would expect it to be only mixed symmetric (only symmetric in 1,2), since ##X## is only symmetric in 1,2 and ##\phi## is completely symmetric...
 

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Why is phi symmetric? aren't you using a uds? I am sorry but I don't see why you wouldn't consider the antisymmetric singlet.
 
ChrisVer said:
I am sorry but I don't see why you wouldn't consider the antisymmetric singlet.

When determining ##X##?
 
when determining Phi...
you should have a symmetric one (in the triplet I=1 combination) : uds + dus
and an antisymmetric one (in the singlet I=0 combination) : uds - dus
they both correspond to I3=0
 
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Look at look at PR 172, 1807 for simple spin – flavor wave functions for baryons.
 
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clem said:
Look at look at PR 172, 1807 for simple spin – flavor wave functions for baryons.

What is PR?
 

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