The state can take away your kids?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the controversial topic of state intervention in family matters, specifically the legal authority of the state to remove children from their parents or guardians. Participants explore the implications of this power, the conditions under which it is exercised, and the societal perceptions surrounding it.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express curiosity about why the state’s ability to take children away is not more widely discussed, contrasting it with other government actions that provoke public outcry.
  • Others argue that the state typically does not abuse this power, suggesting that removals usually occur in cases of abuse or neglect.
  • There is a distinction made between the idea of "taking kids away" and "protecting them from their parents," with some participants emphasizing the importance of this distinction.
  • Concerns are raised about the adequacy of evidence required for such actions, with some participants questioning whether the enforcement of these laws is sufficiently rigorous.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about the difficulties in removing children from harmful environments, suggesting that the system may not always act swiftly or effectively.
  • Another participant draws a parallel between state intervention in child welfare and the removal of individuals suspected of serious crimes, questioning the public's acceptance of both scenarios.
  • Participants discuss the ambiguity surrounding the definition of "sufficient proof" required for state intervention, highlighting the subjective nature of this standard.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus reached on the appropriateness or implications of state intervention in family matters. Some agree on the need for careful consideration of evidence, while others highlight differing interpretations of the state's role.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in understanding the nuances of legal definitions and the variability in enforcement practices. Participants acknowledge the complexity of the issue without resolving the underlying concerns about state authority and individual rights.

  • #31
zoobyshoe said:
You can object to a lot of things the government does and simply seem like you are excercizing your right to criticize it, but if you object on this particular issue you will immediately be seen as taking a pro-child abuse stance. I think that's probably why no one would object to it in principle.
Right. And people DO object when it is misused and children are taken away from parents based on hearsay only, with no evidence of abuse, such as when one parent lies about the other to obtain custody during bitter divorces.
 
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  • #32
Yeah I'd say Pengwuino was trolling. :-p

But he brings up a good point about the inconsistency in people. Pengwuino you're just going to have to pick a topic that is more of a gray area if you want a rise out of people.
 
  • #33
zoobyshoe said:
You can object to a lot of things the government does and simply seem like you are excercizing your right to criticize it, but if you object on this particular issue you will immediately be seen as taking a pro-child abuse stance. I think that's probably why no one would object to it in principle.


I disagree, I think all people who address this issue, take is seriously, and surley the laws show that it is not of any whim of the state that a child can be taken away from his/her parents. Perhaps there is very little uproar because of the fact it is a power that is not abused. However if you feel the govt. has no right to protect a child from abusive parents, then you should be labeled a pro-abuser, and an idiot. However, the reason no one objects to it in principle, and hardly even in exercise is because it makes moral (and common) sense.
 
  • #34
Facing bankruptcy, families in most states have the hard choice of giving government custody over their child in order for the kid to receive needed but costly medical help. There's got to be a better way.
 
  • #35
Wishbone said:
I disagree, I think all people who address this issue, take is seriously, and surley the laws show that it is not of any whim of the state that a child can be taken away from his/her parents. Perhaps there is very little uproar because of the fact it is a power that is not abused. However if you feel the govt. has no right to protect a child from abusive parents, then you should be labeled a pro-abuser, and an idiot. However, the reason no one objects to it in principle, and hardly even in exercise is because it makes moral (and common) sense.
Yeah, I'm just speculating about why people who are anti-government control might pull their punches on this particular case of government control. It was a thought off the top of my head. You have stated a reason as fact, so I guess you've researched this or done polls or something.
 

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