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fizzy said:Wasn't the focal length that got ground, that which would be needed to focus on the Earth's surface rather than at infinity?
Yes.
fizzy said:Wasn't the focal length that got ground, that which would be needed to focus on the Earth's surface rather than at infinity?
Most deconvolution techniques don't rise exponentially with the image size, but none of them is perfect.fizzy said:It gets very processor intensive and rises exponentially as image size increases, so you'd need a super computer to process a full resolution Hubble image. However, it should be possible to test on a smaller scale of a few megapixels on a PC.
OK, I was speaking quickly . DFT is O(n2), which is similar to exp, it's actually super-exponential ; FFT is O(nlogn)mfb said:Most deconvolution techniques don't rise exponentially with the image size, but none of them is perfect.
mfb said:It might be a matter of semantics, but I don't think so. .
fizzy said:OK, I was speaking quickly . DFT is O(n2), which is similar to exp, it's actually super-exponential ;
There is an urban myth here, but it is that the Hubble mirror was ground exactly as it was for other KH-11 satellites (i.e., to focus on something 200 miles away as opposed to focusing at infinity). You yourself provided a link that shows that this is not the case.Andy Resnick said:Just to clear up another urban legend, the primary mirror figuring wasn't exactly 'wrong', it was ground exactly as it was for the other KH-11 satellites.
The key technical cause of that 1.3 mm error was an erroneously cut piece of black electrical tape that was used in lieu of an antireflective coating. This caused the technicians to measure a spot 1.3 mm closer than the intended location. A key image from that report portrays what went wrong.Andy Resnick said:Analysis (http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=19910003124) shows that the field lens of the null corrector was set 1.3mm too far from the nominal position due to misalignment of the metering rod. That 1.3mm distance error is sufficient to explain the aberrations.
D H said:There is an urban myth here, but it is that the Hubble mirror was ground exactly as it was for other KH-11 satellites (i.e., to focus on something 200 miles away as opposed to focusing at infinity). You yourself provided a link that shows that this is not the case.
Andy Resnick said:I admit that my evidence is circumstantial, but it's a lot of circumstantial evidence. The dates when the mirrors were ground, the companies (and the technical teams) involved and the optical designs. are all the same. Finally, note that even though the Hubble mirror was orbiting Earth and not accessible for metrology, optical designers were able to construct a corrector (COSTAR) that perfectly compensated for the aberrations. Given that the date of the report was late 1990 and COSTAR was launched in 1993, it is unlikely that the designers started after the report was issued, implying that the designers already knew (or suspected) the underlying cause and had begun working on a corrector prior to issuance of the report.
fizzy said:The paint flake story I find a bit flakey and it is stated to be only speculation but the report says the mirror was too flat.
That 'repair' sequence was some of the best space TV I have ever seen.fizzy said:"fixed beyond our wildest expectations."
Yep, they really pulled a minor technical miracle recovering a situation like that.
I stumbled over a BBC Horizon episode from 1991 about the issue with Hubble's mirror, and the specifically mentioned deconvolution there. The explanation they gave for why it was not suitable was that to get the whole image clear rather than just one star, they had to split the image in small regions and optimize for each one separately. And back in 1991, that simply took too much CPU time.fizzy said:Getting back to the deconvolution question. What is ideally required is an image of a single star in otherwise empty section of the sky with the current optics.
The SLS could target the JWST at some point, and I'm sure Elon Musk would be interested in selling a Falcon Heavy / Dragon 2 mission to NASA. Both options would need a long time and a lot of money, however.trainman2001 said:since it's distance from Earth precludes a space walk to fix it.