The total charge between two cylinders

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The problem involves a discharge tube with a cathode and an anode, both in cylindrical form, where the potential difference and electric field characteristics are being analyzed. The focus is on determining the total charge of an electron cloud between the two cylinders, considering the geometry and potential constraints.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using Gauss's law to find the total charge, but express uncertainty about the electric field due to the non-ideal length of the cylinders. Questions arise regarding the impact of fringe effects and the complexity of solving the Poisson equation in two dimensions.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem, with some participants questioning the feasibility of finding a solution given the constraints. One participant later revises their understanding of the length of the cylinders, indicating a shift in perspective based on the feedback received.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing debate about the implications of the cylinder length L in relation to the radii a and b, and how this affects the applicability of certain equations and methods in the analysis.

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Homework Statement


We have a discharge tube where the cathode is a cylinder with radius a and the anode is a coaxial cylinder with radius b, a<b. Both cylinders have length L, (Note that L can not be seen as large).The potential of the cathode is 0 and the potential of the anode is U>0. The electric field strength at the surface of the cathode is 0. If we assume that the electron cloud between the anode and cathode is uniformly distributed, what is then the total charge Q of the electron cloud?

Homework Equations


\oint \bar E \cdot d\bar s = \frac {Q_{inside}} {\epsilon _0}
\oint \bar E \cdot d\bar l = \Delta V

The Attempt at a Solution


My idea is to put a gaussian surface surounding the space between the anode and the cathode and then use Gauss's law to get the total charge inside. To be able to do this i need to know the electric field between the anode and the cathode and I can't seem to figure out how i can express this in a convenient way, mainly because L can't be seen as large and therefore I believe you need to consider the fringe effects? Maybe I should use the second equation to find the electric field but I can't seem to get my head around how this could be done.
 
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Are you sure this has a nice answer if L cannot be seen as large compared to b-a?

This is a two-dimensional problem. Solving the Poisson equation analytically does not look easy.
 
Been watching this thread, agree with mfb. The poisson equation in just r would have been easy, but if z is added as a second coordinate I don't see it either.
 
Ok, I got the right answer now. L could acctually be seen as large compared to a and b...
I'm so sorry for giving you guys the wrong information.
Still the mere fact that you said that you also found it hard to solve when L couldn't be seen as large made me rethink and get the right answer so thank you!
 

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